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From: grina@soleil.UUCP (Pete Grina)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: What People Try To Justify
Summary: you missed the point
Message-ID: <187@soleil.UUCP>
Date: 8 Feb 88 21:26:14 GMT
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In article <693@ddsw1.UUCP>, karl@ddsw1.UUCP (Karl Denninger) writes:
> In article <181@soleil.UUCP> grina@soleil.UUCP (Pete Grina) writes:
> >In article <539@ddsw1.UUCP>, karl@ddsw1.UUCP (Karl Denninger) writes:
> >> Show me evidence that the
> >> *use of the drug itself* is dangerous.

> >Karl, I hope you're joking.  If you're not Joe King, then you're a twit.
> >C'mon man, even Nancy is against drugs :-)

> Nancy is against a lot of things.... and she is PRECISELY the problem.
> People who approach problems like this with dogma will never accomplish
> anything. 

You must be joking again.  Nancy Reagan is trying to help in her own
stupid little way, but she is *not* the problem.  If she were never born,
would we still have drugs on the streets?  My point was that drugs are
dangerous and stupid.  As usual, you missed the point.

> >What would you do if your son and daughter started taking those *harmless*
> >drugs like heroin?  
> >I bet you'd love it, as long as the needle
> >were clean, hmmmm?  Bozo.

> Ok, buster, you asked for it.  My *sister* is a 10-year HEROIN ADDICT.  No
> shit, hose-head.  She does the stuff nearly every day.  

This is a horrible tragedy, and I truly feel sorry for her.

> And while the heroin
> has NOT killed her, the AIDS virus MIGHT.  Is this *justice*?  Does she
> *deserve* to die because her will is insufficient to overcome the
> addiction? (note: it takes WILL to get to the treatment clinic, and to stay
> off once you're treated -- which she does not have)  Should becoming
> addicted to IV drugs be a death sentence?

Of course not.  It's a damn shame that things like heroin, cocaine, and
AIDS exist.  Even without the AIDS risk, drug users are risking their
lives.  If you can't believe this, just go out and buy a couple of grams
of <insert favorite drug here> from a variety of dealers.  Nice, honest
people, huh?  BTW, you'll also be supporting all their buddies, too.
Is that dangerous?

> Personally I think what she does is sick.  However, since she *is* of age,
> and has made this decision herself, and does *not* have the mind to change
> her habit, it's something I have to deal with. 

I don't understand what you mean by "...she is of age."  You said she was
ten years old.

> Karl Denninger		       |  Data: +1 312 566-8912


							Pete, you're scum