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From: marek@ucrmath.UUCP (Marek Chrobak)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Just say "No, you're an idiot"
Message-ID: <120@ucrmath.UUCP>
Date: 14 Feb 88 20:32:54 GMT
References: <1899@optilink.UUCP> <518@ddsw1.UUCP> <382@igloo.UUCP> <1289@homxc.UUCP>
Organization: University of California, Riverside
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In article <1289@homxc.UUCP>, ldm@homxc.UUCP (the wharf rat) writes:
> In article <187@soleil.UUCP>, grina@soleil.UUCP (Pete Grina) writes:
> > 
> > My point was that drugs are  dangerous and stupid.  
> 

> 	Hey, aren't you the same weinie that posted the "The difference
                                 ^^^^^^

> Well, look here you Party-line Conservative That's-Immoral Uptight Constipated
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> Narrow-Minded Moralizing Bozo, people who use drugs are risking their lives
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> because some Goddamned Idiot Moralist (like you, putz) decided "Hey gee, if we
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> himself".  You schmuck, it's not DRUGS that are dangerous, it's dealing
             ^^^^^^^^^^^

  Oh, ok. Perhaps Pete's point of view is somewhat oversiplified. This
makes it easy to argue with. But you cannot just tell why you think he
is wrong. You seem to feel this urge to insult and destroy anyone who
thinks different than you do. And from what you write it appears that
you call yourself a liberal. Don't you? You remind me of these "liberals"
who removed a certain drug opponent from the network about two months
ago. Some of them were posting jokes about him even after, when he could
not respond.

  It is very easy to call somebody names, it is much more difficult to
prove one's point. Sarcasm and mockery are usually used by those who
just do not have any reasonable arguments. Listen to this:

  You probably think that you article looks like a quick-wit response.
No, it does not. With these unnatural "look-how-bright-I-am" sentences
it rather looks like a two days work with vi and a dictionary. etc

 See what I mean? I can do it, though I am just a dumb Polack and my
English is still rather poor. 

  And your reasoning is even more naive than Pete's:

> 	If you really wanted to make a difference, you'd teach people 
> the truth about things, and help them to be the best that they can, instead

  Can you elaborate on this more. If I understand you well it might look like
this: Mrs. Smith, the teacher, says that marijuana is not really dangerous
if not overdosed. But, please, my dear kids - don't ever take PCP. And from
now on little Johny would not even come close to PCP, because he was taught
the truth, he knows it's a poison.

> out of desperation with their lives.  This desperation is a direct result of
> the materialistic manipulative shallow suffocating prison that passes for
> American Culture.   "Don't do drugs, just turn screws on an assembly line
> like a good little robot for 25 years, then die and don't bother me, peon".

 Perhaps I take it too literally, but how many drug users actually work on an
assembly line? There are many drug users on the net, they did not mention
anything about assembly lines. In fact, most of them seem to take drugs
for pure fun. They may be surprized themselves to hear that they are victims of
"the materialistic manipulative shallow sufficating  prison".

 And there is yet something else. I, myself, regard posting insults on the
net as a cowardice. The news are so impersonal, you don't know the person
you are insulting, and it is most unlikely you will even met him/her.
And this person is usually so far, hundreds or even thousands miles away,
it almost seems that he/she does not exist, that you talk to your terminal.
But no, there IS someone on the other end, and this someone will feel hurt.
You would not dare to say the same in direct face to face contact.
 
> 						the wharf rat

But you, mr 'the wharf rat' not only do this, but you do not have even
decency to sign your posting with your name. I guess you must have a good
name for this in English, though it might be one of these names which
are hard to find in a dictionary.

Marek