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From: spencer@eris (Randal m. Spencer [RmS])
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Commodore confirms 1.3 rumor
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Date: 2 Feb 88 09:30:54 GMT
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Recently on *comp.sys.amiga* hah@mipon3.UUCP (Hans Hansen) wrote:
...In article <6788@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> spencer@eris.berkeley.edu (Randal m. Spencer [RmS]) writes:
...$Hmmmm.... I am pretty sure that you are mistaken in your interpretation.
...
...Randy, as you were NOT at the NAG meeting and Ken and I were, I will confirm
...what Ken said.
...
...1.3 will have built in Pipes, AUX device, improved(!!!) Printer device,
...P.S.
...	This is the first time I have seen you off base...  it just might
...confirm my suspicions that some of you gurus may be human human after all!

Wait a minute, I don't want people spread rumors that I'm human!  To help to
diswage any such notions let me emphasize what I said in that last message.
I mentioned that I don't think there are going to be pipes in 1.3 and then
I went on to talk about a whole bunch of related stuff and never touched
more on the subject of pipes because there had already been 2 or 3 other
postings to the effect of "But we already have pipes on the Amiga, and we
already have AUX: on the Amiga".  Well, MY point was that I can guarantee
that there will not be pipes in the next release of the CLI because it will
be a major rev of the CLI (which is in ROM still) to support more than one
command on a line.  Currently the only parsing of the command line is to
take the first word and loadseg that code and send it a startup message
with the whole command line in it.  I don't even believe that redirection
is handled by the shell (CLI), I think that is part of the startup code 
that you link your program with (but I should check that before I make
any wild claims).  So if I can only have one command on a line, it would
be hard for me to construct the command "dir | more".

So at no point was I trying to insinuate that the guys from Commodore
didn't say there would be pipes in 1.3 ( I would have to be a little
brain dead to argue a point when I wasn't even there, you could tell 
me -=RJ=- had committed hari-cari on the stage and I couldn't very well
dispute that!).  What I said is I don't believe that there will be pipes
(meaning REAL pipes) in 1.3 (Since we already have AmigaDOS pipe devices
it's not really a big deal for Commodore to include them in 1.3)

Now don't anybody say "What's wrong with AmigaDOS pipe devices", because
I am not saying anything is wrong with them.  I love to use the command:
   tar -cf - * | ckermit -is - -a pipe:file
and then hit receive on VT100 and go to the CLI and type:
   tarsplit pipe:file
Pipes are wonderful things, no argument there, it's just Hans, they are
nothing new...
...
...Hans