Xref: utzoo comp.sys.amiga:14142 comp.sys.misc:1119 comp.sys.ibm.pc:11543 comp.sys.mac:12261 comp.sys.atari.st:7419 Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!linus!raybed2!rayssd!brunix!nancy!omh From: omh@nancy (Owen M. Hartnett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: Guidelines on legal protection for shareware & freeware Message-ID: <22633@brunix.UUCP> Date: 7 Feb 88 04:50:04 GMT References: <6784@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <6606@oberon.USC.EDU> Sender: root@brunix.UUCP Reply-To: omh@nancy.UUCP (Owen M. Hartnett) Organization: Brown University Computer Science Dept. Lines: 54 Summary: Shrink-Wrap agreements Regarding the comments on "shrink-wrap" license agreements. The previous posters are correct in stating that such agreements have never been tested in court. There are several good reasons why I believe any such case that gets into court will have shrink-wrap thrown out on its ear. *** Disclaimer *** I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice, only my conjecture on what might happen to a hypothetical case concerning shrink-wrap. 1) When you go to a store and buy software, you essentially complete a sales contract between the vendor and yourself. In the case of a store, generally the vendor is not the party who has an interest in the license agreement, meaning that the software publisher (or whoever holds the license rights) is attempting to be a third party in this contract. Unless the vendor specifically calls attention to the license agreement before the sale, it is possible that the intended buyer did not read the license agreement on the back. There are many reasons why this could be so, i.e. the software could be in a display case or you may have bought by mail order.) Unless provably stated otherwise at the point of sale, the contract is between you and the storekeeper. The only vendor I know of who has this covered correctly is APDA. When you "Join" APDA (really you submit to the licensing arrangement), you sign a statement that you will read the back of any software you buy and return it if you do not agree with the wording. This may not be enough to satisfy the courts, but it's better than most. 2) In the case of the "Break this seal and lose all your rights" type of business, this seems to be the weakest type of licensing. When no agreement is visible from the outside of the packaging, any internal notice would be trying to enforce a condition of the sale after the sale has taken place. In order to create a valid contract, (like a sales contract), all terms of the contract must be known to all parties before the contract is consummated. You can't throw in another condition after the sale has taken place. Suppose the seal said: "Break this seal and you owe us another ten dollars." or "Break this seal and you must vote Republican at the next election." It's like buying a loaf of bread and when you get home, find a band wrapped around it saying "By breaking this seal, you agree not to give any slices of this bread to Owen Hartnett." Any real lawyers care to comment? Owen Hartnett Brown University Computer Science omh@cs.brown.edu.CSNET omh%cs.brown.edu {ihnp4,allegra}!brunix!omh "Don't wait up for me tonight because I won't be home for a month." -W.C. Fields