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From: khayo@sonia.cs.ucla.edu (Erazm J. Behr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: Anonymous FTP
Summary: ftp info - for beginners - longish
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Date: 4 Feb 88 20:49:30 GMT
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Well, a few days have passed and there weren't any takers, so
I'll try to say what I know about anonymous ftp (a year ago I
sure could use such a posting!)

Keep in mind that I'm writing this from the ARPANet perspective;
I'm using Unix on a VAX; also, ftp implementation may differ from
place to place, I guess; most site addresses given below are
certain to be different for the uucp folks, and I'm not sure if
they can do "rlogin" (most likely not) as required in one case.

-------- Note --------
Since I don't like flames, I'm posting this to comp.sys.mac only;
if you think that the general procedures etc. described below may
be of interest to non-mac users, you are welcome to re-post it in
other groups, PROVIDED THAT you do two things to this text: namely,
(i) a global search for /(is it possible???)/ and replace with
    /(and many of us do)/,
    i.e. ":1,$s/(is it possible???)/(and many of us do)/g" in vi
(ii) same for /****/, replace with /great stuff/,
    i.e. ":1,$s/****/great stuff/g"
Thank you for your cooperation.
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There are 4 sources of Mac software that I'm aware of (on the net,
that is) and would welcome pointers to others.

1) The famous "SUMEX", i.e. sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Probably the
   biggest. Ftp (in case you didn't know, "file transfer protocol")
   lets you access it as follows:
   you: ftp sumex-aim.stanford.edu
   response: [after a while, if all goes well] connected to ....
             user <.....>:
   you: anonymous [in lieu of "real" user id, hence "anonymous ftp"]
   resp: user anonymous ok, send real ident as password:
   you: whatever [my login name works for me, anything will, I think]
   resp: [something irrelevant]
   you: cd info-mac [to get to the Mac directory; I don't know the
                     names of others, never used anything else;
                     note: some people had trouble with this and
                           had to type cd <info-mac> instead]
   resp: host ... accepted, send password to connect to it:
   you: [ignore the password stuff]
        ls [to list all files - pointless]
        ls *00dir* [to list text files describing the directory
                    itself; prefix 00 places them at the beginning,
                    so you might as well do ls and hit ctrl-s fast]
        get [filename] [local name, optional but useful]
                   [transfers the file to your directory; the
                    ones to start with are the directory files,
                    which you can then study at leisure on your
                    local machine; after getting a genuine Mac
                    application, remember to trim the headers -
                    the hex files are usually in the same format
                    that you see in comp.binaries.mac]
        bye [to break connection & exit ftp]

2) SIMTEL20.ARPA: as in (1), connect to it via ftp. Username & passw.
   as above. Macintosh files reside in directory pd2:<macintosh> and
   the listing can be obtained by "get"ting the file
      pd2:<macintosh>macintosh.crclst
   I found simtel less useful than sumex, but if you happen to have
   a PC type as a friend (is it possible???) then you can impress
   him/his easily: simtel seems to be PC-oriented and there are loads
   of that **** there.

3) Columbia University (first-hand source of Kermit of all shapes and
   forms; I don't know if they have much else there). Their machine runs
   a (guess...) Kermit server, which I'm not too familiar with - so
   browsing was somewhat difficult for me. In any case, use ftp
   to connect to cu20b.columbia.edu, same user/password as above, and
   cd k2: to get to the directory containing Mac versions of Kermit.
   The relevant two are ckmker and xkmker as far as I remember, use
   ls *kmker* to locate all the files.

4) U. of Texas: this is different, because you need to do a remote login
   instead of ftp. Type "rlogin ix1.cc.utexas.edu" and respond with a
   user id "microlib"; again, password (if it's required at all, I don't
   remember) can be anything. Then you simply do things that you would
   do on your local machine.

I think that the main difference between (1), (2) and (4) is that some
more esoteric, "non-mainstream" stuff (sounds, graphics) don't overlap;
most of the other things can be found on all three.

Hope this helps - have fun.                   Eric   
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