Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!mcvax!enea!ttds!draken!mrfeng From: mrfeng@nada.kth.se (Lars-Erik Fredriksson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Chinese,Japanese & Korean systems Message-ID: <290@draken.nada.kth.se> Date: 5 Feb 88 17:24:28 GMT References: <15899@felix.UUCP> Followup-To: derek@gucis (Derek Austin) Organization: The Royal Inst. of Techn., Stockholm Lines: 144 Keywords: Chinese,Japanese & Korean system Sender: Reply-To:mrfeng@nada.kth.se (Lars-Erik Fredriksson) Distribution:world and this too Well since you asked The version I am running on is KanjiTalk 2.0 its built on system 4.1 and has JIS level 1&2 ( i.e both levels of the Japanese Industrial Standard character sets ) It runs fine on a MacII and I saw it run on an SE at MacWorld in San Fransisco where it was shown by mrs Yuko Judy Hiratsuka president of Mercury Communication Service, Palo Alto, then working for the the Radius people.They (the Radius people) probably got a copy from Apple since the system only existed in golden master and as I could understand hadnt been released in Japan yet. APDA in Renton may very well get it for distribution as an update to the scriptmanager-developers package since they have been distributing the old Arabic System AB1.1 (AIS Arabic Interface System) and Japanese System J1.1 (JIS Japanese Interface System). However that will more than likely take awhile (they didnt know about this themselves yet and new documentation for this package in english has to be written by someone at Apple, be it Japan Hong Kong or USA) and a better possibility is probably to get it from Japan. One shop that comes to mind if you dont have any japanese connection could be the Zero-One Shop ; Canon ( that is the name of a computer shop in Nishi-Shinjuku in Tokyo ) A person that was helpful to me at that shop when I visited Tokyo was mr Masanori Ikeda. Zero-One Shop, Canon Eiken Co., LTD. Shinjuku Mitsui Bldg. 1-1, 2-Chome,Nishi-Shinjuku, Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 163, Japan phone int+3 (345) 9101 fax: 03 (345) 9109 since I have started on this I will continue with: The Chinese System - HanziTalk 1.0 ( HIS Hanzi Interface System) (there are two versions the mainland HK-001, simplified characters, i.e. jiantizi based on Peoples republic standard Guojia Biaozhun and the Taiwan HK-002 with traditional characters, i.e. fantizi) It doesnt work on the Mac II yet but there is a beta that does according to Apple Hong Kong. I dont know when it will be shipped, but the other two were announced in August and started shipping in November there are two possible dealers for Hong Kong the first recommended by Apple Hong Kong is: Sun Business Machines Ltd. 8/F, Tsuen Wan Ind. Centre, 220-248 Texaco Road phone : int+85204998168 Tlx: 45628 FUJI HX Fax: 04996607 They charge 100 US $ for each of the systems and it took them a long time to react to my pleas via both telephone and telexes long after they had received my check! Still they might be better and more responsive than the other party that didnt seem to be that interested in the chinesespeaking market when I visited them, well maby they changed with the new operative system becoming available but I dont know what theyll charge: Gilman Office Machines shop 102-103, Alexandra House, 1/Fl. Hong Kong phone-5-236635 Random thoughts: I know that it is Apples policy to let national divisions of Apple have quite a lot of independence. It is also a known fact that the by Apple preferred way for system software to be distributed should be through the friendly dealers where one buyes ones mac and therefore is in the language of the country where it is bought. In most cases this is fine but a company like Apple in a country where the population has such a large amount of cultures and languages represented should think of a better scheme to distribute its system software for the benefit of national minorities large as they are! At least im sure that there could be a more flexible solution if they could let the academic sites of the Apple University Consortium share in the distribution process.I know it is virtually impossible for any national apple tech support to answer the questions that is likely to emanate from all the different language system software, and I dont ask for this. but I dont think it is in the line of supporting Creativity and understanding between the peoples of the world to make it so difficult to find a system software for lets say a person living abroad who prefer his or hers native language, or a linguist who would rather type in French German or Japanese who may actually have use for all the scrips and languages of the world at the same time. (Gosh do I wait for themonolitic operative system that lets me toggle from Japanese to Chineseto Korean to Swedish etc etc without having me to reboot all the timeit could be a script at bootup and maby language resources in thesystem folder I wonder if its possible to do with the Japanese and theChinese systems what the gentleman Leonard Rosenthol is doing with hisSuitcase!? probably not since the large fonts of the Jap and Chin systems get read up in Ram even before the debugger is loaded clues and hooks anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?).......... Well to sum up the above when it comes to getting ones preferred system ( yes I do support the system (:-{ > ) this national independance poses a problem. *boy,is this ever an understatement* ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have spent large quantities of time and money trying to get my every day working tools namely the Japanese and mainland and Taiwan versions of the chinese operative systems respectively. As you can see from these lines you will have to get the system through a dealer in Japan and for Chinese & Korean via the same in Hong Kong.Good Luck!!!!!!! *********************************************************************** |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| NEWSFLASH |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| *********************************************************************** The Korean System - HangulTalk 1.0 (acronym anyone?) was to be officially announced to the market as of yesterday (Thursday 4 Feb) and dont know where in Seoul? to obtain it. B.T.W - The Hebrew system is ready since november -87 and up for grips ($$$?) should you pass through Tel Aviv. And There is a scriptmanager compatible wordprocessor being worked on with slightly more d, actually Im not!? There is nothing I would like more, than to see some more information on this net on CJK-automation and It surprises me that there is less than fifty postings over a year that concernes these topics. It is bound to be many more working with similar problems!!? Keep me posted if you dont want to be in the limelight of this meeting. ********************************************************************* Thank you for your patience and let me hear from you. ********************************************************************* * Mr Feng a.k.a | * * Lars E Fredriksson, |Email:EUNET: mrfeng@draken.nada.kth.se.UUCP* * chief librarian | or: seismo!enea!ttds!mrfeng * * Far Eastern Library | AppleLink: c/o NORDLINDH1 * * Box 163 58 | * * S-103 27 STOCKHOLM | Telephone: Int + 46 8 20 45 43 * * SWEDEN | or : Int + 46 8 666 4394 * *********************************************************************