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From: peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: Does anyone really understand windows?
Message-ID: <1457@sugar.UUCP>
Date: 16 Feb 88 03:28:03 GMT
Organization: Sugar Land UNIX - Houston, TX
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Well, the main impression I got from Usenix is this:

Everyone is rushing to do windows.

Nobody understands how to support them.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that I don't have any better answers than
anyone else. But I think that somewhere out there is the window paradigm
that will do for windowing systems what UNIX did for command-line-oriented
systems. Right now we're floundering in JCL land. At least for the programmers.

Xwindows sure isn't it (see "How hard is it to write ``Hello World'' anyway?").
Widgets sound like a promising idea, though.

NeWS isn't it (display postscript makes me think of "//DD SYSIN...").

The Mac Toolbox definitely isn't it (SKEL for the Mac is even longer than
Xwindows' "Hello World").

The Amiga Intuition has the simplest "Hello World" I've seen *... doesn't talk
to UNIX, though. Pity.

SmallTalk is pretty good, though slow (see "display postscript").

The Andrew people didn't get too much into the gory details... any info?

So... forget this "best window system" stuff.

Anyone at least got a good one?

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* Amiga "Hello World", modulo bugs.

#include <stdio.h>

main(ac, av)
int ac;
char **av;
{
	FILE *fp, op;

	if(!(fp = fopen("RAW:0/0/160/10/Hello World", "w"))) {
		perror("Can't open window");
		exit(1);
	}
	op = fdopen(fileno(fp), "r");
	getc(op);
	fclose(op);
	exit(0);
}
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