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From: benoni@ssc-vax.UUCP (Charles L Ditzel)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.news
Subject: Re: NeWS on non-Sun hardware?
Message-ID: <1652@ssc-vax.UUCP>
Date: 3 Feb 88 05:15:18 GMT
References: <3a06a194.c32@apollo.uucp>
Organization: Boeing Aerospace Corp., Seattle WA
Lines: 59
Summary: just like Apollo Unix?

In article <3a06a194.c32@apollo.uucp>, dawson@apollo.uucp (Keith Dawson) writes:
> Apollo currently has no plans to support the NeWS product. Apollo's window
> strategy is based on the X Window System.  
> 
> Apollo's Open Dialogue UIMS, along with other recent developments such as
I use Domain Dialogue and it is a decent product but most people I talk to
(myself included) prefer a decent user interface library (such as the one
found in SunView environment).  

> Adobe's Display PostScript product, address the issues of user interface 
> development and PostScript capabilities under X in a manner we feel to be
> superior to NeWS. Another advantage is that X is a public-domain window
> system, making it accessable to the entire industry. 
> 
> Most important of all it the fact that the marketplace has chosen X as the
> industry standard window system.                                              
That's is highly debatable...and is being debated in newsgroups on
the net comp.windows.misc & comp.misc.  Again some have indicated that
if it is an industry standard it may may be of short duration.

>     Ross Chapman, Apollo Computer
>     !decvax!apollo!chapman_r
*FLAME ON*
Its hard for me too take all this to seriously...how many years have we
we heard that a decent version of Unix would be forthcoming 
to the Apollo any day soon (i'm still waiting).  

Its nice to see you people at Apollo suddenly discovering standards...
Your history somehow speaks differently :
while Sun chose CGI (a standard you see on PC and other machines)
as their primitives libraries you people chose your creation GPR with
ungodly function call names.  

while Sun chose Ethernet you people chose a proprietary domain ring
(oh yes - Apollo has suddenly discovered Ethernet too - tho' it has
all sorts of flaws - tune in on comp.sys.apollo sometime)

while Sun chose Unix you people had already rejected that for your
own creation - Aegis.  (Ever see what happens to Aegis and Unix live
together - any attempt at keeping file permissions straight dies.
You learn to live in an environment where people can't do somethings
in Unix and pop an Aegis shell and do it in that shell (and vice-versa).

oh yes..when you finally found Unix...people wondered if your
implementation was an advertisement for Aegis.  
Permissions are only the tip of the iceberg...
*FLAME OFF*

Now you know why i recently bought a Sun.   :)
It certainly wasn't out of ignorance.

By the way, on my Sun I will be able to have three windowing systems
at once ... NeWS and X and SunView ...at least till SunView II
appears (it will apparently sit on NeWS/X).

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The opinions expressed are my own and are certainly not those of the Boeing
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