Newsgroups: sci.bio Path: utzoo!rising From: rising@utzoo.uucp (Jim Rising) Subject: More on Forced Copulation Message-ID: <1988Feb3.110152.9878@utzoo.uucp> Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Date: Wed, 3-Feb-88 11:01:51 EST To reiterate some points that have been made previously, but are still being discussed, inasmuch as human females sometimes become pregnant as a consequence of forced copulation, it is at least possible that this behavior enhances the Darwinian fitness of the males who force copulations. In humans, forced copulations doubtless occur for many different reasons, and probably sometimes aberrant or perhaps misdirected sexual behavior. In any event, to the best of my knowledge no society condones forced copulation, nor in my opinion should, and I don't think that anyone has said that. We doubtless do not understand the biological or psychological bases of rape in humans at all adequately, but even if we did, that under- standing would in no way require us to change statues. It might, however, help us deal better with the problem. Incidentally, "normal sex" almost certainly has implications far beyond simply procreation (the "Pope's hypothesis"). Certainly, people generally engage in normal sex without considering their Darwinian fitness, and the probability of achieving conception are small--would you say 5-10%, without contraception? That of course does not mean that copulation does not affect one's fitness. That is doubtless the "ultimate" cause, but not the "proximate" cause. --Jim Rising -- Name: Jim Rising Mail: Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5S 1A1 UUCP: {allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!rising