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From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr)
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Subject: Re: Sociopathic, homocidal liberals on the loose.
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Date: 24 Feb 88 08:20:18 GMT
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In article <23096@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU} robinson@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu.UUCP (Michael Robinson) writes:

}}}Assholes
}}}who wouldn't let the Marines shoot back.

}}Here you are getting a little off target. The people who wouldn't let
}}the Marines shoot back weren't afraid to kill a bunch of terrorists.
}}They were afraid of being hamstrung in the future by the kind of
}}Liberal idiots who called the Libya raid murder.

}Well, what else would you call the premeditated peacetime killing of innocent
}civilians?  I'd like to know.

}What would you have called it if, instead of taking us to court, Nicaragua
}had dropped a few cluster bombs around Washington D.C. and San Diego in
}retaliation for the CIA mining their harbors?

}Would you have called that terrorism?  Probably.

If the attacks targeted civilians, probably.  Especially if they were in
retaliation for a military attack.

Even if not, if I were in charge my first reaction to such an act would
be to launch B-52 bombing attacks on all major Nicaraguan military bases.
Attacks would continue for the days it would take to get the Marines to 
Nicaragua (or an airborne division, whichever is faster).  


}Come to think of it, terrorism probably does describe the Libya raid better
}than murder.  After all, that's what terrorism is, isn't it?  The murder of
}innocent people to intimidate an adversary into changing their policies?

}Hmmm, and state-sponsored terrorism at that.

The Libya raid did not target civilians.  The intent was to avoid them,
the actual results (and reasons for them) have been recently discussed 
in this group.  If we had wanted to kill civilians it would have been 
easy, since we have weapons such as napalm and cluster bombs which are 
quite effective.  Add to these incendiary bombs, and target everything
on the areas of highest population density, and you can kill many.  That
could have reasonably been called terrorism.


}}No. The PRINCIPAL idiots who got those men killed were people like
}}George Bachrach and the idiots on the net who condemn the Libya raid.

}Stop me before I kill again.

I'll try...

We have tried to be isolationist in the past.  It didn't work.  
Before us, Japan tried.  They didn't do any better.  We forced 
them, and later they forced us, to pay attention to the rest of
the world.  We can't afford to make the same mistakes again.





  --John Carr   (jfc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)