Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!looking!brad From: brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) Newsgroups: can.politics Subject: Re: rent review Message-ID: <1443@looking.UUCP> Date: 28 Feb 88 20:18:43 GMT References: <1988Feb24.140628.28040@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> <1433@looking.UUCP> <1988Feb26.225840.21116@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> <1437@looking.UUCP> <1988Feb28.002014.29461@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Reply-To: brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) Distribution: ont Organization: Looking Glass Software Ltd. Lines: 50 In article <1988Feb28.002014.29461@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> eem@csri.toronto.edu (Evangelos Milios) writes: >In the case of housing in Toronto, the demand is such that the free >market, with or without rent control, fails to fulfill the basic right >of the average hardworking person to decent, affordable housing. >Do you disagree with this statement? If yes, why? If not, what should be >done about it? >...eem It's hard to agree or disagree with a sentence that includes the phrase "the free market, with or without rent control..." That just doesn't make sense. The whole thrust of the article I wrote was that there is no such thing as the free market with rent control. (Even without it, there are dozens of constraints on the housing market, ranging from special tax laws, zoning regulations and the LTA. All of these affect prices indirectly, but rent control is the most obvious price changer.) I'm also not sure what is meant by "the basic right to decent afordable housing." Does this include Rosedale? Certainly it would be nice, but to call it a basic right in every location goes too far. Fact is that, other than with ludicrous rent controls, some cities are going to cost more than others, and the city will always cost more than the country. Some places (like Silicon Valley, for instance) are just not going to be affordable to people in lower income groups, and you can't change it. Many factors have driven up rents. Perhaps the strongest is the arrival of the two-income couple, or the D.I.N.K. This strong, unforseen increase in the demand for quality appartments *must* drive the price up. There's nothing that can be done to stop it. It's not surprising that the D.I.N.K. movement centers in Toronto, either. What are you going to do, insist that one spouse not work? With high DINK demand for luxury appartments, homes and condos, and a large base of run-down rent controlled appartments, who's going to be idiot enough to build lower middle class dwellings? Even MURB tax breaks didn't help. To answer other points: > The price dictated by the free market is too high. As noted, the prices today don't come from a free market, but a heavily controlled one. And markets don't "dictate" prices. They arrive at them, through the aggregate of consumer demand and producer supply and profitability. Only rent control laws dictate prices. > Speculators are driving the price up. To some extent, but only because it works. Most of these speculators are ordinary people, though. -- Brad Templeton, Looking Glass Software Ltd. - Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473