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From: greg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gregory Nowak)
Newsgroups: news.admin,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Top 25 News Groups for the last 2 weeks (from talk.bizarre)
Message-ID: <1870@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
Date: 27 Feb 88 06:23:17 GMT
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In article <11838@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> esj@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson) writes:
>>I'm done preaching. I'll go post 96K to talk.bizarre now. Good day.

>Real bright move Bill. You just go right ahead. Id give talk.bizarre
>about a one week life span if it ever hit #1. I know I would get rid of
>it here if that happened. And Im quite sure many other sites would too.

Soc.singles was # 1. Soc.women was #2. Would you "give them a one week
life span" if they hit #1? If not, why not? I don't read soc.women or
soc.singles; How can you say that what I get out of talk.bizarre is
any less worthy of net.support than what the soc.singles or soc.women
readers get out of their newsgroups? Are you seriously saying that the
fact that our method of letting off steam is less valid than the soc.
peoples'? When you change your position to one of campaigning for the
end of any non-comp group that moves to #1, then you'll be
believeable. As long as you're just targeting talk.bizarre, you DO
sound like a whiny administrator with no sense of humor.
 
>Personally I think the talk/soc and even the alt groups are good
>things. They add a little humanity to the net. 

Glad you agree. So go bother soc.singles and soc.women. You want mail?
Tell soc.singles or soc.women that you'll start a movement to delete
the groups if they "accidentally" post too much and come out ahead of
comp.sys.ibm.pc? [comp.sys.ibm.pc had 1176 KB in the latest stats,
soc.singles had 1067, and soc.women had 1038, so it's quite possible
for either of these two groups to place first.] I repeat, once you
start complaining about volume in general, and not just talk.bizarre,
you'll be believable.

> I even read ole
>talk.bizarre when Im in the right mood, and once or twice posted.  But
>the attitude that Mr Bill and some other posters to talk.bizarre seem
>to take realy bugs me. What can mass posting prove?  "Hey, I only
>posted 10K today; ok, ill just post strings vmunix to talk.bizarre. 

Talking about VOLUME VOLUME VOLUME is one of the traditions of
talk.bizarre; do you seriously believe that the massed minions of
talk.bizarre are struggling mightily day and night to post volume and
only come up with 1035 KB for the month? Give us more credit than
that. No one has been posting strings vmunix (but thanks for the idea!
:-); standards are a lot higher than that. If you really read
talk.bizarre, if you were familiar with our CULTURE, you'd know that
"VOLUME" is just an abbreviation. What we really mean is VOLUME with
CONTENT. Trust me on this -- NO ONE on the net gets flamed more
mightily than a talk.bizarre poster who posts VOLUME without content.
If you understand the concept of running jokes on the net, accept the
fact that the talk about VOLUME on talk.bizarre is one of them.  If
you devoted a moment's thought to the matter, you'd realize that
restraint IS being exercised, otherwise we WOULD be #1. The fact that
volume is so high just testifies to the fact that talk.bizarre is a
VERY popular group AMONG ITS READERS. Sure, the per-reader cost is
high, but so is the articles posted per reader -- meaning that people
are getting something out of the group and contributing to it.

>I hope the readers and posters in talk.bizarre remember this:  Posting
>anything and everything, just to become the #1 newsgroup, will end the
>group. Its that simple. No one who has to worry about disk space or
>phone bills will even think twice.

Read the group for a while, learn the in-jokes, and *then* decide if
we're posting nothing but gibberish. Don't make assumptions based on 0
evidence. Sysadmins should have better judgment.

-- 
...!seismo!princeton!phoenix!greg


                                 Greg Nowak/Phoenix Gang/Princeton NJ 08540