Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!sundc!pitstop!sun!amdcad!ames!hao!oddjob!gargoyle!ihnp4!ihlpf!straka From: straka@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Straka) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: backwards eproms (was Re: New Technologies) Message-ID: <3741@ihlpf.ATT.COM> Date: 18 Feb 88 14:32:39 GMT References: <7944@sunybcs.UUCP> <2407@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> <360@splut.UUCP> <10@ucsd.EDU> <2848@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> <1988Feb9.151701.6201@sq.uucp> <194@hdr.UUCP> Reply-To: straka@ihlpf.UUCP (55223-Straka,R.J.) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois Lines: 41 In article <194@hdr.UUCP> eric@hdr.UUCP (Eric J. Johnson) writes: >In article<1988Feb9.151701.6201@sq.uucp> ian@darwin.UUCP (Ian F. Darwin) writes: > As I wrote on the same subject while reviewing an EPROM programmer > from a small American company (in MicroSystems, sometime in '83 or '84): > > I also found out (without harming the board) what happens when you > put in the correct EPROM, but insert it upside down. > *The little light inside comes on.* > You didn't know there was a little light inside an EPROM, did you? > Well, there wasn't supposed to be, and it's not there anymore anyway! Reminds me of a little experience back at National in the old days: (Bear with me, the end of the story is kind of neat!) Before N-channel EPROMs there were P-channel EPROMS (eg. 1702, 5404(?)). These devices were real pigs. You see, you are really working against physics to get the electrons up to the floating gate. The only reason for P-channel at the time was because nobody was too good at making N-channel yet (contamination, threshold stability, ...). Anyway, you had to hit these little puppies with 55V to do the programming! At the wafer probe stage (real, virgin device), the technique was to start with a ~20V programming voltage, and repeatedly hit the chip with higher and higher voltages until the 55V was reached. If you hit it with 55V right away, you blow away the part. The thoery was that during this "puhout", as they called it, you actually heat up the local junctions enough to *modify the metallurgical junctions* in critical areas so that they could take the extra voltage without braeking down. One day, one of the product engineers for that product was talking to me, and said: "Come on over here by one of the wafer probers. I have something to show you." He was probing a virgin wafer, and during the "pushout" part of the test program, you could see (black cloth around the probe station microscope) a few of the traces on the chip faintly INCANDESCE from the immense current draw! It would only happen the very first time that the device was programmed. Just a little bit eerie. One wonders about long term reliability. -- Rich Straka ihnp4!ihlpf!straka Advice for the day: "MSDOS - just say no."