Xref: utzoo rec.ham-radio.packet:979 rec.ham-radio:4115 sci.electronics:2356 Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!sundc!pitstop!sun!decwrl!decvax!ucbvax!pasteur!ames!necntc!linus!philabs!ttidca!sorgatz From: sorgatz@ttidca.TTI.COM ( Avatar) Newsgroups: rec.ham-radio.packet,rec.ham-radio,sci.electronics Subject: Re: low power license free packet? Message-ID: <2005@ttidca.TTI.COM> Date: 26 Feb 88 07:46:06 GMT References: <8802111609.AA16271@decwrl.dec.com> <440@n8emr.UUCP> <357@ge-rtp.GE.COM> <1170@trotter.usma.edu> Reply-To: sorgatz@ttidcb.tti.com (Erik Sorgatz - Avatar) Organization: Citicorp/TTI, Santa Monica Lines: 75 Keywords: Bandwidth for nothing, gigabits for free Summary: OK fine... In article <1170@trotter.usma.edu> bill@trotter.usma.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >I agree with the comments in this reply except for one. And this seems to be >..................... The people asking for a Personal Digital Radio Service >don't want to be hams. They have no interest in ham radio and probably the >most important idea being missed here is that what they want to use packet for >would be illegal over amateur radio. Take a look at what is on the various >phone BBS's. They are loaded with shareware, for sale ads, and advertisements >for various commercial products. All things definitely out of place on amateur >radio. Real good. *NOW* we come to the crux of the matter. 1) NOT INTERESTED IN AMATEUR RADIO. 2) COMMERCIAL INTERESTS THAT PRECLUDE THE USE OF SAME Sounds like what these guys need is a telephone, huh? What they're asking for is all the flexibility of Amateur without those nasty restrictions, tough. Until some astronomical occurance, this is not gonna happen. The use of radio spectrum, as an experimenters hobby-zone is defined as Amateur Radio Service, what they want is Commercial or Fixed Service. BTW: It usually costs more than a telephone. And has some nasty restrictions about not competing with the telephone system, etc. >I believe it was hams who pioneerd such technological breakthrus like SSB, >FM, and REPEATERS. These ideas have since proven their value in the commercial >world and are now considered just a part of the world we live in. The time has >come for packet to take it's place in the world too. There is no reason why, >in a few years, it can't be commonplace for there to be a packet box hooked up >to the PC in every house. Maybe this is the technology it will take to finally >bring services like TELETEXT into the home. Yeah, right. Well, why not just get a cell-phone portable @ 800 Mhz and plug in your modem, plug in your P.C. and wail??!!! Or is the real point here the cost of doing exactly that?? The breakthrus that opened shortwave were indeed pioneered by Amateurs, in fact the whole spectrum from 200 meters down was ours at one time. The commercial interests put their stations into the HF bands ILLEGALLY! No fines were issued, noone went to jail tho...typical of the political machine to "sell off" something they don't own or have already "given" rights to...without recompensation. Absurd. Hey, if a cellular fone is too expensive, I guess they'll just have to rely on the twisted-pair, huh? Teletext is already in a lot of homes, via the phone lines, you don't need packet radio for that; it's a commercial service provider, and you pay for such things. At least according to the current FCC regs. Hell man, we can't order a pizza via auto-patch! Why should unlicensed individuals be exempted from the spirit of the laws?? Go ahead, explain. > >Any comments on this diatribe will be accepted. >(I have my NOMEX underwear on :-) Nahh, come on OM, we're all in this together; besides I used up my monthly supply of <> on those CB nerds! ;-) The fact is the telephone Co. monopoly precludes such things, the Amateur's are not gonna let one Hz of bandwidth get sucked-up for such stuff, and the CB community would start tearing 27 Mhz packet-ops a new rectum the first time they heard a BRAZAPPP! -it's a no-win proposition! The real stickler is the commercial interests on the dial-up BBS's, this has no place in a hobbyist-radio service, licensed or not..unless...you wanna open a bigger can of worms...and start looking at (DRUM ROLL PLEASE!): P A Y C B....! UGH, shades of GMRS! (spatooie!) The BBS interests that offer products for profit would then be taxed at some horrible rate to offset the public-trust of being allocated spectrum space..just like the telephone company..oops! What about that? Is Ma Bell (and those 6.02 x 10EE23 de-monopolized locals) gonna stand for such a run for their money?? The answer is (MAY I HAVE THE ENVELOPE?): "not bloody likely!". So, you see, the interests against such things as this are mostly the commercial status-quo, the Amateur community is almost a "friend" by comparison! ;-) -- -Avatar-> (aka: Erik K. Sorgatz) KB6LUY +-------------------------+ Citicorp(+)TTI *----------> panic trap; type = N+1 * 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. (213) 450-9111, ext. 2973 +-------------------------+ Santa Monica, CA 90405 {csun,philabs,randvax,trwrb}!ttidca!ttidcb!sorgatz **