Xref: utzoo soc.singles:14562 alt.flame:1787 Path: utzoo!hoptoad!ptsfa!pacbell!ames!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!uwmcsd1!bbn!oberon!ganelon.usc.edu!gazit From: gazit@ganelon.usc.edu (Salit) Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.flame Subject: Re: A few points Summary: The sleeping monster dreams (Was The sleeping monster awakens (me)) Keywords: this key doesn't fit the word Message-ID: <7579@oberon.USC.EDU> Date: 11 Mar 88 08:58:54 GMT References: <7276@oberon.USC.EDU> <3321@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> <7284@oberon.USC.EDU> <3440@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> <7400@oberon.USC.EDU> <1231@pasteur.Berkeley.Edu> Sender: news@oberon.USC.EDU Reply-To: gazit@ganelon.usc.edu (Hillel) Followup-To: alt.flame Distribution: na Organization: University of Spoiled Children, Downtown Ellay Lines: 101 In article <1231@pasteur.Berkeley.Edu> c8s-gh@franny.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Mel Avery) writes: #In article <7400@oberon.USC.EDU> gazit@ganelon.usc.edu (Hillel) writes: #>In article <3440@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes: #>[look ma, no comments about my English] #If we can't say something positive . . . Jonathan had some comments about my English in a previous posting, so it surprised me that he was quiet about the subject this time. #Note: > means Hillel said it, >>comes from Johnathan, the rest is mine. ^ # #>Other VD's are not a big deal if you discover them in time. So far I have # ^^^^^^ #>not had this problem, but that's what I understand from the literature. #>Ditto for pregnancy. So far I have never had a problem of unwanted pregnancy. # ^^^^^^ #[fabricated statistics deleted] Fabricated? The statistics regarding the birth control methods have appeared in numerous papers and books, and are also stated in the brochures supplied with the contraceptions. The divorce rate is also a well publicized issue. If you have some new information, please enlighten us. Else, shut up. #Hmmm . . . is this the same person that goes on to critique wishful thinking? No. I calculate risks and try to minimaize the function. # #>>These comments show just the "modern" attitude which, to be quite #>>frank, disgusts me. #> #>I guess that the statistics describing a 50% divorce rate disgust you as #>well, or are you sure (and without ever living with your girlfriend too!) #>that it can never happen to you? # #50% What a wonderful round number. If you wanted to make the point about #a high divorce rate, say "high divorce rate." This tendency to call stats #spontaneously into existence really hurts your credibility. You were on #the verge of making a good point, but you blew it. There was a long debate in soc.singles about this 50% figure. If you wanted to add your $0.01 you could do that. #>[The answer to my question about what to do if the bride is not a virgin] #>>To be blunt, that will not happen. #>Another instance of wishful thinking. #Aha! It WAS you. Very good attitude reversal. Ever consider politics? In politics one finds people such as gsmith, Steve Goldfield and Mel Avery. Not my style. #>>This is another instance of the decay of the institution of marriage #>>in modern society. #>Why don't you leaf through the Old Testament once in a while? Then #>you can discover that a a non-virgin bride could get the death penalty. #>I prefer the current decaying institution. #Me too, but I'm pretty sure that you have the wrong text. Death penalty for #non-virgins is an Islamic tradition. I forget what specific text they use #to justify it, but Naipaul's "Among the believers" should shed some light on #the origins of that nasty habit. Apologies in advance in case that was an #Old Testament Doctrine. There was a debate about the subject in talk.religion.misc. If you are interested you can post some questions there. Don't forget to ask about rape in a walled city. #>>Excuse me a minute, now, while I go put on the asbestos suit which I #>>am going to need when you all see this. :-) #>Against someone with 550 in TOEFL? You should be kidding! #I'm unfamiliar with the scoring system on Test Of English as a Foreign #Language, and you didn't mention who received the score. Were you bragging #about your own ability, showing false modesty, making a pedestrian attack on #Johnathan, or taking a cheap shot? 550 in FOEFL is the minimum to enter the Ph.D. program in computer science at most good universities. It's strange that Jonathan needs asbestos suit against someone like me with such a score. #To the rest of soc.singles I apologise. "Flaming" is not my style, but that #post contained 5 out of 6 of the things I most dislike in posts. #1) arrogance #2) irreconcilable hypocracy #3) marginal communication (the least hated of the group) #4) fabrication of detail #5) misrepresentation (I deleted those sections as I didn't care to explore # that particular venue. #His only miss was "Don't blame me" syndrome. Well, all I can say is that these 5 points were strongly demonstrated in your posting. Actually, these 6. The "Don't blame me" was also there. #Mel Hillel Gazit gazit%ganelon.usc.edu@oberon.usc.edu #Summary: The sleeping monster awakens (me) Peter's Placebo An ounce of image is worth a pound of performance.