Path: utzoo!hoptoad!ptsfa!pacbell!ames!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!husc6!bbn!rochester!udel!udccvax1!chiefdan From: chiefdan@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Chief Dan Roth) Newsgroups: alt.individualism Subject: Individualism - Reality or Myth? Keywords: myth groups reality Message-ID: <779@udccvax1.acs.udel.EDU> Date: 9 Mar 88 16:41:48 GMT Reply-To: chiefdan@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Chief Dan Roth) Organization: The Lab Rats Lines: 48 Followup-To: I'd like to suggest that "Individualism" is a myth. It has already been pointed to by the jokes about being an individual and therefore not joining this group. What does it meant to be an "individualist?" To act autonomously from the groups and people in society which try to influence our behavior? From the point of view of behaviorism, this is just plain silly. However, one does not need to be a behaviorist to reject individualism. We often reject "labeling" because we claim it does not adequately describe who we are. However, are we not reducible to a description of oursleves (whether functional, material, mental, behavioral, spiritual, or some combination)? Each of these characteristic puts us in a group. For example, Ronald Reagan is... 1) A Republican 2) A Conservative 3) A Senior Citizen 4) A Former Actor 5) A Victim of Nose Tumors 6) A Male 7) An Actor 8) A tall person etc, etc, etc. If you list all these groups to which he belongs, you have a complete description of Ronald Reagan. What I'm saying is that our individuality does not rest separately from the groups we are classified as belonging to. Rather, our individuality comes from the intersection of all these groups. I am unique because the physical, social, ethnic, and other groups I am a part of are different from every other person's collection of groups. To reiterate: Our individual selves are defined by the groups that we belong to, not by separating ourselves from these influences. (For any philosophy-types, I'm suggesting something similar to the "rectification of names" - but as a source of identification and not necessarily as a guide to proper behavior.) Anyway, think on the above for awhile and please respond. -- ARPA: chiefdan@vax1.acs.udel.edu "Hopfen und Malz, Gott erhalts" UUCP: ...{ihnp4,uunet}!vax1.acs.udel.edu!chiefdan "They nailed him to the cross and they laid him in the ground, but they should have known you can't keep a good man down." -- Larry Norman