Xref: utzoo comp.edu:973 soc.college:1185 Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!ames!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mostaccioli!kuechlin From: kuechlin@mostaccioli.cis.ohio-state.edu (Wolfgang W. Kuechlin) Newsgroups: comp.edu,soc.college Subject: Re: Foreign Universities Message-ID: <7663@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Date: 3 Mar 88 16:39:40 GMT References: <296@sirius.megatest.UUCP> <1988Mar2.115526.29923@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Sender: news@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Distribution: na Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Computer and Information Science Lines: 34 In article <1988Mar2.115526.29923@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> tjhorton@ai.toronto.edu ("Timothy J. Horton") writes: [about the German system, I believe] ... >One graduate research "system" that I know of is downright medieval. ... > ... and so the system decends into something of an apprenticeship >program (depending on the professors level of enlightenment), where students >do the professors bidding much of their time. ... For the top European schools, "medieval" means a 500 year tradition of top-notch excellence. A close apprenticeship relation to a mentor on the full professor level can influence you for life. Furthermore, there is no or little tuition and you draw a full salary as "assistant". However, you are very much dependent on your mentor. If he's not good, you're in trouble; but he will have tenure and won't disappear. I can't recommend going over for your PH.D., except if you know the Professor. Besides, nobody might take you without knowing you from your undergrad. work at the same school. I received my Diplom and my doctorate from European schools. In my opinion, the European system is better up to Diplom (MS) level, and the US graduate schools are better in general; but none of the European Universities is as low level as you can get in the US. Industry might prefer the U.S. type "get it done" person to the European style "thinker". They might also just prefer people with the additional overseas experience. It's not the bad Ph.D.'s who go overseas to seek employment. And, yes, Toronto should offer an attractive combination. -=- Wolfgang W. KUECHLIN