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From: terry@wsccs.UUCP (terry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: DEC/IBM networking info request
Message-ID: <253@wsccs.UUCP>
Date: 4 Mar 88 05:02:34 GMT
References: <556@modular.UUCP>
Distribution: comp
Lines: 49
Keywords: IBM,network
Summary: Joke posting

In article <556@modular.UUCP>, earley@modular.UUCP (Joe Earley) writes:
> 
> A friend of mine is trying to get a couple of large IBMs talking to a few
> large and small DEC machines (uVAXes and 8550s) over an Ethernet.

  Tee Hee.

> 1) 3270 emulation from any terminal on the DEC side,

	Yes, OK, if you pay enough (yes, but they want MORE than enough).

> 2) VT100/200 emulation from any terminal on the IBM side,

	Tee Hee Hee Hee.  Haw Haw.  Anybody out there *ever* hear of a
batch-mode emulator for IBM mainframes that can send ASCII, let alone the
regular control codes required/sent by a VT100?  How do you expect to do
Sixels on a 3101, running in blockmode thru an 8101 controller?  VT100 might
be possible, but come back in 5(*10^3?) years when the IBM can do raw I/O.
Async?  Hee Hee Hee Hee.  They can barely do sync.

> 3) and file transfer and remote logins initiated from either side.

	DEC side, both.  IBM side, file transfers only.  ISO Network, no way.
Sorry, data transport only.  Now maybe if you had a program looking for files
coming into a directory and then ran them and deleted them, and you 3270'ed
a file containing a DCL command to do the stuff on the VAX...

> He has looked into the DEC SNA Gateway product and would also like opinions
> on how it works.  He did mention that DEC told him that their product would
> not allow users on the IBM to initiate any logins or file transfers from
> the IBM side, which is different from what I've been told by our DEC rep.

	Your DEC rep is wrong, unless he's talking about an IBM running UNIX
or your IDEA of a "large IBM" is PC in a refridgerator-sized case.  IBM has
enough problems running their own terminal sessions, which are basically
kludged batches...

	1: Ever hear of IBM's first OS?
	2: Yes, you're typing on it.

> He would also like to find out anything on training that would get him up and
> running quickly on VMS.  He is an experienced IBMer but has had limited
> experience with VMS so he is looking into publications or courses that
> you kind folks could recommend.

	Digital has some nifty seminars, if you can part with your a body
part to pay for it or convince your boss your programming will improve (I have
yet to do this).

			terry@wsccs