Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!nrl-cmf!ames!ucsd!sdcsvax!ucsdhub!hp-sdd!hplabs!hp-pcd!uoregon!dboyes From: dboyes@uoregon.UUCP (David Boyes) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: DEC/IBM networking info request Message-ID: <1656@uoregon.UUCP> Date: 7 Mar 88 08:10:30 GMT References: <556@modular.UUCP> <253@wsccs.UUCP> Reply-To: dboyes@drizzle.UUCP (David Boyes) Distribution: comp Organization: University of Oregon, Computer Science, Eugene OR Lines: 67 Keywords: IBM,network In article <253@wsccs.UUCP> terry@wsccs.UUCP (terry) writes: >In article <556@modular.UUCP>, earley@modular.UUCP (Joe Earley) writes: >> A friend of mine is trying to get a couple of large IBMs talking to a few >> large and small DEC machines (uVAXes and 8550s) over an Ethernet. >> 1) 3270 emulation from any terminal on the DEC side, I've read about some boxes that take ASCII input and spit out 327x style bisync for around $2500 per 16 port box. You still need a 3174 on the IBM side to handle the I/O processing (when will DEC ever learn to use smarter terminal controllers? -- everyone else has....), but it is possible. Telenet does it all the time. >> 2) VT100/200 emulation from any terminal on the IBM side, > Tee Hee Hee Hee. Haw Haw. Anybody out there *ever* hear of a >batch-mode emulator for IBM mainframes that can send ASCII, let alone the >regular control codes required/sent by a VT100? Don't jump to conclusions. IBM sells an update to the 3174 hardware/firmware that installs VT100/220 emulation for 327x terminals. If you have 3279-2 or -3 terminals, you even get Regis or Sixel graphics and downloadable character sets. Works just dandy -- saw an IBM guy call a local BBS (supports full screen graphics, etc) from a 3279 and a regular Hayes modem and it worked like a charm. Other people were running SNA sessions and XEDITing away while all this was going on with no noticeable degradation. >be possible, but come back in 5(*10^3?) years when the IBM can do raw I/O. >Async? Hee Hee Hee Hee. They can barely do sync. Get real. DEC can't put 12,000 terminals on a single machine, either. What difference does it make? >> 3) and file transfer and remote logins initiated from either side. > DEC side, both. IBM side, file transfers only. ISO Network, no way. VM/TCP allows all Internet facilities. FTP, telnet, rlogin, etc. >> He has looked into the DEC SNA Gateway product and would also like opinions >> on how it works. He did mention that DEC told him that their product would >> not allow users on the IBM to initiate any logins or file transfers from >> the IBM side, which is different from what I've been told by our DEC rep. Our IBM SE seemed fairly impressed with DEC's SNA gateway. He said that there were some nice things about DEC terminal sessions that IBM implemented in a strange way on their product. He also mentioned that the keyboard mapping from VT220 --> 3278 was something horrendous. >>Hewould also like to find out anything on training that would get him up and >> running quickly on VMS. He is an experienced IBMer but has had limited >> experience with VMS so he is looking into publications or courses that >> you kind folks could recommend. It certainly is a whole different ball game. The DEC self-study courses for the operator and using system services from the various languages are pretty good from what I've seen of them -- but they are horrendously expensive if you didn't get them as part of the deal with the machine like we did. > terry@wsccs -- David Boyes | ARPA: 556%OREGON1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Systems Division | BITNET: 556@OREGON1 UO Computing Center | UUCP: dboyes@uoregon.UUCP 'How long d'ya think it'll be before just us oldtimers remember WISCVM?'