Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!munnari!vuwcomp!newbery
From: newbery@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Newbery)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Using an ANSI emulator with VMS editors
Message-ID: <13361@comp.vuw.ac.nz>
Date: 15 Mar 88 23:34:15 GMT
References: <2058@bsu-cs.UUCP> <719@ddsw1.UUCP> <190@wsccs.UUCP> <13328@comp.vuw.ac.nz> <307@wsccs.UUCP>
Reply-To: newbery@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Newbery)
Organization: Computing Serv. Ctr, Victoria Uni., Wellington, New Zealand
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In article <307@wsccs.UUCP> terry@wsccs.UUCP (terry) writes:

>> >[...] You may also notice that ANSI terminals have 24 lines and
>> 				****************************
>> Nonsense! Where in X3.64 does it say this?
>
>	Find one ANSI 3.64 compliant terminal not:
>
>	1) Made by IBM (ah, yes, a maker of freindly terminals, indeed ;-)
>	2) Pretended to by an MesS-DOS box (UPort and SCO fall into here)
>	3) Built with connection to #2 in mind (things like the wy60 and
>	   wy75, wy85 don't count, in other words)
>
>	And I'll reverse my statement.  Till then, I think I'll let it stand.

* Visual 550 (34 lines)
* Lots of terminal emulators on Macs, Amigas, DEC GPX workstations (not
  MS-DOS boxes :-)
Granted, 80x24 is the de facto standard for terminals. DEC have sort of
added 132x24. I still don't think this is a _good thing_. It pains me
when I fire up the VT100 window on a *DEC* workstation, resize it to something
other than 24*80/132 and watch all the DEC standard software break - and
I don't mean just run as if they had a smaller screen! I mean fail to work
at all!
>I think you took me rather out of context.  I was simply pointing to an [...]
Sorry. I read your statement to be an assertion that ANSI terminals had to
have 24 lines. I gather you meant that most 3.64 compliant terminals, like
most terminals of any persuasion, have 24 lines.

>> >[...] There is a terminal database on VMS. [...]
>> which insufficient software (especially DEC's) uses - which is the nub
>> of the problem.
>
>	Because it's poorly implimented and very sloooooooow.  THAT is the
>nub of the problem.

If more DEC software was forced to use it by the corparate thought police,
it might magically become faster and less poorly implemented :-)


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Michael Newbery

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