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From: Roger@cup.portal.com
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Subject: Re: Input from keyboard in startup-sequence
Message-ID: <3820@cup.portal.com>
Date: 11 Mar 88 05:43:42 GMT
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My first posting to USENET and I get a flame from CA (does Max
know about this? :-).

Ed Gunther (gunther@cbmvax.UUCP) writes:
>In article <3668@cup.portal.com> roger@cup.portal.com writes:
>> Still, I too would like 1.3 (and 1.4 and 1.5... :-).  I was at the 
>> December F.A.U.G. meeting and, I believe it was, Dale Luck who stated
>> that CA had gotten 1.3 "months" ago.  He didn't have an explanation
>> for the long delay, other than to say that CA had a really involved
>> quality assurance (testing) program.  This got a good laugh from the
>> assembled masses.
>> 
>
>     Oh yeah??  And your crack about the QA dept here at CA also "got a
>     good laugh."  Don't knock CA or anyone else for that matter for taking
>     the time and effort to release a decent product.  A fresh perspective
>     from people not directly involved in the development of some new product
>     almost invariably helps to find problems or bugs.  It's our job to see
>     that this fresh perspective isn't provided by the end users.
>
>> ...Roger...              | "You will never find a more wretched
>>                          |  hive of scum and villiany...
>> ROGER@CUP.PORTAL.COM     |  We must be cautious."
>
>
>-- 
>(((((((((()((((((((())(((((((()))((((((())))(((((()))))((((())))))(((()))))))
>  __  Ed Gunther              COMMODORE AMIGA TEST ENGINEERING
> /        /\                  "The LAST line of defense, if "THEY" let us!"
><    ==  /__\                 UUCP  ...{allegra,ihnp4,rutgers}!cbmvax!gunther
> \__    /    \                PHONE 215-431-9356 (life or death only please!)
>      "Disclaimer, heck no!  NOooo PROBLEM.  You have myyyy word on it."

I got a good laugh from your reply too.  I just imagined Donald Duck's
voice as I read your words. :-)

Seriously, lets just calm down a bit, okay Ed?  Now then, please re-read
my last paragraph.  I was just reporting the facts.  The laugh from the
crowd was a spontaneous reaction to the speaker's remarks.  *I* had nothing
to do with it, other than the fact that I was there.  I, for one, hope that
CA has a very tough quality assurance program.  As one who's micro experience
started with the PET (then the VIC-20, C-64, A1000, and now B2000, and that's
just the Commodore machines) I can fully understand if some users might think
that QA hasn't exactly been Commodore's number one priority in the past.  The
only resonable excuse I can come up with for your rather poorly directed flame
is that you are new to the world of Commodore and unfamilar with it's history.
Otherwise, why would you be so sensitive?  Nerve hit, perhaps??

However, now that I seem to have your attention, I do have a suggestion 
for a "fresh prospective" that you and many other vendors could take 
advantage of.  I agree with you completely that what most vendors need
is someone to provide them with a fresh prospective.  This is not always
provided by an internal QA department, however.  As you alude to in your
.sig file, QA departments are not always given the chance they need to do
the job right.  And sometimes QA departments seem to be nothing more than
"Yes Men", looking to keep some idiot of a manager happy.

Which leads me back to my offer.  Yes, it's a service.  Yes, it's something
that you should all be doing internally anyway.  And yes, I'm sure some of
you think that you are already doing it.  But, all too often, internal
prceedures break down.  As the 'net seems to have a "no advertising" rule,
I'll E-Mail my proposal to you directly, as well as to any other vendor
who requests it.

Now that we've both had a chance to flame each other, let's stop this
nonsense and do business.

Serious, E-Mail, enquires only please!

...Roger...

Roger Holmstedt      | "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum
roger@cup.portal.com |  and villiany...  We must be cautious."
                     |                                  - Obi-wan Kenobi
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