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From: cs178abu@sdcc8.ucsd.EDU (John Schultz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Anyone seen a good Amiga Pascal lately ?  Why not Modula-2?
Message-ID: <817@sdcc8.ucsd.EDU>
Date: 11 Mar 88 09:36:13 GMT
References: <2605@crash.cts.com> <735@nuchat.UUCP> <813@sdcc8.ucsd.EDU> <765@nuchat.UUCP>
Reply-To: cs178abu@sdcc8.ucsd.edu.UUCP (John Schultz)
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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Keywords: Modula-2,Modula II,M2, No-flame
Summary: Ban the "flame"

In article <765@nuchat.UUCP> peter@nuchat.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <813@sdcc8.ucsd.EDU>, cs178abu@sdcc8.ucsd.EDU (John Schultz) writes:
>>   Seems like first impressions have lasting consequences on
>> programmers...
>
>I don't know why you'd say that. My first modern language was Pascal,

  Well, Peter stated that he had a horrible time with M2 the first
time he used it. (no insult intended)

>(*f+ (turn on flamethrower) *)
>I think you have quite a bit of gall to post a series of messages that
>look a lot like you're trying to convert me to Modula, and then act as if
>I'm the one doing the preaching. In fact, this whole discussion (if I recall
>correctly) started when I championed someone else's Modula compiler. Really
>the mark of a C bigot, eh?
>(*f-*)

  This whole business of "flaming" is ludicrous.  People, realize
that in the "World of the Net" we cannot read a persons intentions
as well as we could if we were face to face or even over the phone.
Almost *every* "flame" posted is due to "a failure to communicate".
Of course, some postings are outright stupid, and certain people
feel it necessary to "flame" the poor uninformed poster of his or
her mental deficiencies.
  We need a better protocol to deal with this problem.  The solution
is simple:  Ban the "flame".  Instead, try to find out what the
other person really is trying to say.  If they are outright
obnoxious or irrational, don't waste your time "flaming" them.  If
they are simply wrong, tactfully point out the correct solution.
But most importantly, don't get personal.  It's simply not
necessary.  "Flame" induced message propagation greatly increases the
noise on the net.  Simply don't spread the "flame"...
  I use UseNet to give help and get information for the Amiga
computer.  I do not intentionally insult or "flame" anyone.  My
purpose here is to inform and learn.  I believe that one resorts to
"flaming" when her or she is no longer able to logically discuss the
issues at hand and lets emotion take over.  Lets work together for
constuctive ends, not against each other with destructive results.

  A final word about Modula-2 and C:  I'm not trying to convert
anyone to anything, I'm just informing others of what many of us
believe is the best knowledge available for tools on the Amiga.  We
simply state the facts, and if that leads some readers to believe
that we are a bunch of "converters" (ie, "Computer Evangelists"),
I hereby clarify the issue by stating that this is not our intentions.


  John