Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att-cb!att-ih!pacbell!david From: david@pacbell.UUCP (David St.Pierre) Newsgroups: news.admin Subject: Re: Top 25 News Groups for the last 2 weeks (from talk.bizarre) Message-ID: <39@pacbell.UUCP> Date: 8 Mar 88 04:56:56 GMT References: <7080@uunet.UU.NET> <1918@mind.UUCP> <1156WGRCU@CUNYVM> <1870@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> <129@ccd700.UUCP> <2795@gryphon.CTS.COM> Reply-To: david@pacbell.UUCP (David St.Pierre) Distribution: na Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA Lines: 166 In article <2795@gryphon.CTS.COM> greg@gryphon.CTS.COM (Greg Laskin) writes: >I'll take pity on our trans-continental friends and limit this to >North America. I assume you mean intercontinental, but who has time to use a dictionary when there's talk.bizarre, eh? > >In article <129@ccd700.UUCP> jim@ccd700.UUCP (J. Sitek) writes: >>I get paid to support Usenet (among many other things). I won't say ... text deleted ... >> >Should we collectively worry about what Jim thinks of us? Let's >examine the latest available information from the UUCP map: >The map entry for Jim's site is a bit old but it appears that ccd700 >is, at best, a leaf node. While I respect Jim's right to do whatever OK, if you want to hear from a bigger site, I've enclosed my stats for a week from the two machines I maintain at the bottom of the article. Along with one or two other sites, I provide the majority of the UUCP-based news traffic in northern California. I am not an official backbone because I don't like bureaucracy (if it can be helped ... I work in a big one) and don't like the instant notoriety which seems to come with the annointment. 'Sides, I don't need a title to provide support for others. >I seen several postings from administrators announcing that for >various reasons, mostly seeming to revolve around the content >of a group or something an individual poster to a group posted, >they were going to strike the big blow and axe various groups >from the systems they administer. Unquestionably, that is >within their purview. By dropping the big one, one would expect >that these administrators have solved their problem. No longer >do these groups impact on their machine resources, communications >budgets or threaten the work ethic of their user. Are we dripping heavy sarcasm here or what? Most companies do have an invisible line dividing good taste from bad. I've had to defend netnews once. One manager wanted netnews pulled from all machines. I succeeded in keeping it alive and well but I feel that some *one* person would always be held accountable for our use of news. So I've adopted the golden rule. My machine, my rules. I don't know if there's a parallel here or not, but I'll note that over 180,000 Californians think that freedom of speech stops with Dial-A-Porn calls and are requesting complete 976 blocking. I suspect that there are similar figures around the US. People are saying "while you may have the right to say what you want, I don't necessarily have to give you unrestricted access to me {home, company}. >Why then do they feel the need to proclaim their rightiousness >to the rest of us? Do they really feel they need to justify >their actions to us? Nay, I suspect there is a hidden agenda >in these postings. Interesting. My preference is to take action and not broadcast it to the world. It's nobody's business but mine and the people I feed. However, your criticism seems too self-serving to ignore. Reaffirming or rephrasing the original comments, I'm: tired of running low or out of i-nodes tired of running low or out of disk blocks tired of getting mail from my downstream neighbors about the same tired of 6-12 modems going non-stop (literally) for days on end tired of my downstream feeds complaining about 8-hour uucp connections tying up their more limited dial connections tired of endlessly babysitting netnews, recovering feeds, etc Maybe talk.bizarre isn't the first or only problem area. All I know is I've done about everything I can think of short of removing newsgroups to keep news flowing and providing full feeds to those who ask. Now I think I have to "give them the axe, the axe, the axe" =============================================================== Netnews statistics for pacbell from Feb 29 01:28 to Mar 7 06:17 System Accept Reject Junked Xmit to Control % total % rejct LOCAL 0 0 0 14 0 0% 0% amdahl 46 33 0 334 16 0% 41% att-ih 878 2264 0 6134 5 20% 72% comdim 0 0 0 34 0 0% 0% ctnews 1 6 0 33 0 0% 85% disapollo 0 0 0 16 0 0% 0% dplace 1 0 0 9764 0 0% 0% eeg 0 0 0 7465 0 0% 0% gladys 7 5 0 27 0 0% 41% ista 0 0 0 5041 0 0% 0% jtphilli 0 0 0 84 0 0% 0% kdq 0 0 0 21 0 0% 0% lamc 8 4 0 0 2 0% 33% latenite 0 0 0 8042 0 0% 0% local 2 0 0 0 0 0% 0% maxepr 2 0 0 584 0 0% 0% pb2esac 1 0 0 11199 0 0% 0% pbcast 0 2 0 0 0 0% 100% pbhacker 0 0 0 165 0 0% 0% pbhya 284 0 0 11199 0 1% 0% pbhyb 0 0 0 11199 0 0% 0% pbhyc 4 0 0 11199 0 0% 0% pbhyd 0 0 0 11199 0 0% 0% pbhye 3 0 0 11199 0 0% 0% pbhyf 45 0 0 11199 1 0% 0% pbhyg 13 0 0 11199 0 0% 0% pbody 6 0 0 298 0 0% 0% pbsaint 0 0 0 943 0 0% 0% pbsdts 0 0 0 87 0 0% 0% pcbox 1 0 0 2323 0 0% 0% ptsfa 11248 84 0 1280 35 75% 0% pyramid 7 9 0 51 0 0% 56% qantelham 0 0 0 97 0 0% 0% rencon 0 0 0 24 0 0% 0% safari 0 0 0 34 0 0% 0% tandem 1 0 0 12057 0 0% 0% topacbell 0 0 0 4 0 0% 0% vixie 3 0 0 0 0 0% 0% xptty35 0 0 0 23 0 0% 0% zorch 4 6 0 30 0 0% 60% TOTALS 12565 2413 0 144601 59 100% 16% Total Articles processed 14978 Netnews statistics for ptsfa from Feb 29 00:50 to Mar 7 00:16 System Accept Reject Junked Xmit to Control % total % rejct LOCAL 0 0 0 13 0 0% 0% amdahl 64 95 0 42 2 1% 59% ames 10751 270 0 752 36 77% 2% belltec 0 0 0 3128 0 0% 0% cfcl 0 0 0 11335 0 0% 0% cogent 0 0 0 11367 0 0% 0% cpro 0 0 0 11645 0 0% 0% dual 0 0 0 11686 0 0% 0% eeg 1 384 0 3181 0 2% 99% hippo 0 0 0 11335 0 0% 0% hoptoad 23 370 0 9959 5 2% 94% ihnp4 2 319 0 3544 0 2% 99% ista 0 16 0 2249 0 0% 100% lamc 7 3 0 11335 2 0% 30% laticorp 0 0 0 11335 0 0% 0% lll-lcc 7 88 0 833 0 0% 92% lll-tis 145 204 11 875 3 2% 58% local 12 0 0 0 0 0% 0% maps 0 0 0 83 0 0% 0% maxepr 0 0 0 291 0 0% 0% nonvon 0 0 0 11335 0 0% 0% pacbell 1001 113 0 11060 5 7% 10% pmt1 0 0 0 2625 0 0% 0% pyramid 24 62 0 47 1 0% 72% rencon 3 21 0 11343 0 0% 87% rtech 0 0 0 32 0 0% 0% safari 0 2 0 0 0 0% 100% ski 0 0 0 4520 0 0% 0% trane 0 0 0 11335 0 0% 0% unet 0 0 0 11335 0 0% 0% varian 30 4 0 11657 1 0% 11% vixie 0 0 0 11335 0 0% 0% well 16 177 0 11335 1 1% 91% TOTALS 12086 2128 11 202947 56 100% 14% Total Articles processed 14214, deadlock 1 -- David St. Pierre 415/823-6800 {ihnp4,sun,ames,pyramid}!pacbell!david