Xref: utzoo soc.men:3002 sci.bio:968 Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!cca!g-rh From: g-rh@cca.CCA.COM (Richard Harter) Newsgroups: soc.men,sci.bio Subject: Re: Sexual selection Message-ID: <25443@cca.CCA.COM> Date: 11 Mar 88 07:42:43 GMT References: <1566@mmm.UUCP> <3138@arthur.cs.purdue.edu> <1164@microsoft.UUCP> <3455@medusa.cs.purdue.edu> <3232@zeus.TEK.COM> <13400@sri-unix.SRI.COM> <913@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu> Reply-To: g-rh@CCA.CCA.COM.UUCP (Richard Harter) Organization: Computer Corp. of America, Cambridge, MA Lines: 51 In article <913@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu> vu0112@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Cliff Joslyn) writes: >Yes, this seems to be the only possibility. Nor should we be surprised: >in classical evolutionary theory it is described as "sexual selection." >It is used to describe various and sundry typcially male charactersitics >as peacock tails and other silly and seemingly useless features. While >I've read about this, it has never made any sense to me. >I'm cross-posted to sci.bio. Could someone please explain the theory of >sexual selection to us, try to justify it (I've never believed it, >despite the evidence), and relate it to common sexual dimorphism like >height, etc.? Let me make it simple, and talk about buying apples for a moment. When you eat an apple you want one that is ripe, does not have worms in it, is not spoiled or bruised, and so on. So what do you do when you go to buy apples -- you look for one that is red, looks juicy, and is unblemished. The vendors of apples want to sell you apples, so they take due care to provide apples that meet these criteria. Note that these criteria don't actually tell you that this apple is going to be good eating. Note also that the vendor of apples is not trying to supply you with good eating, she is trying to sell you what you will buy. Even so, you will tend to select the really red apple unless you think about it, and the vendors of apples apply artifice to make there apples redder than nature intended. Now you, as a clever human being, can figure out what the vendor is up to, and can figure out what it is that you actually want. But an animal is not so clever, and relies on built in cues to make these selections. Success in breeding goes to those males who best meet the built in cues. Now these cues are often things like redness in apples -- whence, the redder the better. Males who most markedly satisfy the selection criteria are most likely to get selected. This gets inherited, so the selection process drives steadily towards emphasizing any feature that is used as a cue. NOTE THAT IT IS THE FEMALE THAT SELECTS. Females select, fundamentally, because they make the big investment in offspring. Since they do the selecting, the selection process is not as demanding on them (except that they must provide reliable fertility cues). This is the general theory. Human beings, at this point, are in a special category; our sexual selection process does not match our evolution -- we have mixed it all up by having intelligence and civilization. -- In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high Are the graves of dreams allowed to die. Richard Harter, SMDS Inc.