Xref: utzoo sci.misc:926 talk.philosophy.misc:902 Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!hao!boulder!sunybcs!bingvaxu!leah!itsgw!imagine!pawl14.pawl.rpi.edu!jesup From: jesup@pawl14.pawl.rpi.edu (Randell E. Jesup) Newsgroups: sci.misc,talk.philosophy.misc Subject: Re: Where do you find the future? (was Re: Omni-Americans) Message-ID: <520@imagine.PAWL.RPI.EDU> Date: 12 Mar 88 08:35:41 GMT References: <5017@uwmcsd1.UUCP| <2790@gryphon.CTS.COM| <2724@ihlpe.ATT.COM> <2885@sfsup.UUCP> Sender: news@imagine.PAWL.RPI.EDU Reply-To: beowulf!lunge!jesup@steinmetz.UUCP Organization: RPI Public Access Workstation Lab - Troy, NY Lines: 44 In article <2885@sfsup.UUCP> glg@/guest4/glgUUCP (xt1112-G.Gleason) writes: >Bell's inequality, which implies: ... >Any one of these failing may mean the world is a lot stranger than >originally thought. There are holes that can cover almost any of >the popular pseudosciences. This is not proof, but it opens the >door, and real experiments will eventually tell us something about >what is going on. So quantum works. Is that really such a stunner? Does that mean that Uri Geller, whats-her-name the 'channeler', UFO groupies, etc are any more believable than before? How many of these are going to do 'real experiments'? The medicine men, faith healers, cultists, con artists, etc have always been with us, and probably always will, because so many people have a true need to believe in things, to be able to give up responsibility or to have dreams of something outside their routine day-to-day lives. Look how many people will buy things like "100+MPG carburetors" for their 10 MPG gas-guzzler, believing it will work. Or read horoscopes in the paper and believe them religously (note the term used, it gives an idea what's going on). Occaisionaly, people who have good ideas are riduculed by 'authorities' who don't understand them, or haven't seen proof, etc. My own great-great- great-grandfather was known as 'mad man henson' because he thought a heavier than air vehicle could be built (he was wrong, it's real hard (or impossible) to do with 1840's or 50's steam engines for power). But his aerodynamics and lift were better than the Wrights. Later, after moving from england to the US, the department of the navy sent him a letter saying that breech loading cannon were impossible. (The smithsonian has the documents now). But these more often occur with engineering than with science, as new machines and materials are perfected. In science, theories can usually be tested against reality. Most psuedoscientists stay carefully away from tests and hard predictions, relying on generalities, claiming coverups, theatrics, and just plain ignoring things like objective proof. Those that really do believe in their ideas either find them fall short, or find them to be provably true. Those that are true become 'science' (assuming they publish the fact). // Randell Jesup Lunge Software Development // Dedicated Amiga Programmer 13 Frear Ave, Troy, NY 12180 \\// beowulf!lunge!jesup@steinmetz.UUCP (518) 272-2942 \/ (uunet!steinmetz!beowulf!lunge!jesup) BIX: rjesup (-: The Few, The Proud, The Architects of the RPM40 40MIPS CMOS Micro :-)