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From: eli@bbn.com (Steve Elias)
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Subject: Re: the "greenhouse effect" theory
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Date: 17 Mar 88 03:36:53 GMT
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In article <114@aplcomm.UUCP> jwm@stdc.jhuapl.edu (James W. Meritt) writes:

>.. dictionary definition of the greenhouse effect ..

>note:  no mention of thermal pollution as a direct cause.  

	determining causality between thermal runaway and CO2 buildup quickly
	turns into a chicken/egg problem.  water vapor & cooling techniques
	aren't related to the greenhouse effect theory.  

se>>	there is no valid model for the greenhouse effect.  

>expletive deleted!  Check definition of greenhouse effect.  Everything
>measurable.  No theory.  Thus, there is a model.  As to its validity,
>the effect itself is easily measured, and thus validified.

	i don't think Funk & Wagnall have hung out on venus for a
	million years...  this theory is not proven!  read an astro
	text instead of a dictionary for a more complete look...

	dictionaries don't make scientific discoveries!  the Earth's
	atmosphere cannot be modeled with current technology.  thus,
	THERE IS NO MODEL.  present one and you will make history.
	when i say 'model', i mean a working model that can be used
	to see what the atmosphere will do under any specific global
	conditions -- the problem is IMMENSE and unsolved.  

>The waste heat from solar farms on earth is not from outside the earth/
>atmosphere system.  

	not true -- they would absorb some energy that would ordinarily
	be reflected back into space.
	
>If the solar farm were not there, the dirt would
>absort just as much heat as the farm.  

	no.  vegetation has different reflective properties than
	do solar cells.  

>Nuclear power may be viewed as originating as "outside" the earth/
>atmosphere system.  
	
	i don't think there's an easy answer to this question...