Xref: utzoo comp.misc:2143 misc.headlines:2555 misc.jobs.misc:1510 talk.rumors:1217 Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!bbn!rochester!cornell!uw-beaver!fluke!kurt From: kurt@tc.fluke.COM (Kurt Guntheroth) Newsgroups: comp.misc,misc.headlines,misc.jobs.misc,talk.rumors Subject: Re: Hear no evil, See no evil, Do no evil Message-ID: <3183@fluke.COM> Date: 22 Mar 88 17:25:16 GMT References: <1177@polyslo.UUCP> <2843@fluke.COM> <1223@polyslo.UUCP> <400@lscvax.UUCP> <1615@polyslo.UUCP> Sender: news@tc.fluke.COM Distribution: na Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA Lines: 68 John Bass is MAD now. We have refused to believe that the sky is falling, even though he personally guarantees that he was hit in the head by a piece. > There is no current product which will force early obsolence of the > typical 640K 8088 PC running PFS Write or Word Perfect as a typewriter > replacement/augmentor. This typewriter replacement market accounts for > the vast majority of PC systems purchased in the last few years -- and is > the market that has saturated. This assertion is patently untrue. Anyone who has recently graduated from Wordstar to Microsoft Word, Page Maker or any of the various other modern document formatters and page layout systems can tell you that the 8088 poops out on page layout problems. Modern document processors do graphics, multiple columns, multiple fonts and point sizes. The graphics requirement alone will obsolete a significant PCs. Perhaps Mr Bass makes due with a dumb terminal connected to an aging mainframe, so the world looks more static to him. > I stand by my prediction solidly .. the market place can not support the > current 12-15 million units per year volume. For those who are so out of > touch with the world, or find the critical thinking involved in data analysis > beyond your mental grasps, I present my final argument: As evidence of this, our scholar cites that forum of business acedemia: > USA TODAY, Wed March 16, 1988 page 1B read the box titled "Will > auto boom go bust?" and article titled "Auto sales rise 6.3% this month" > Note the annual sales volume of 14.7 million units per year for > cars and light trucks. Note the average sales of about 13.5 million > units over the last 5 years. So if computer unit sales only continue to be as good as auto sales (a mature market with no quantum leaps in technology likely, and stable price/performance ratios), there will be NO slowdown. > Justify why computer shipments should stay at the same level .... > nearly everyone needs a car ... few people need a computer ... I bet most businesses own far more computers than cars or trucks, both in number and in dollar value. I also suspect the rate of replacement of computers will be higher. But that's where John and I part company. I want to add that I personally expect a modest recession sometime next year. This recession will likely cut into purchases of small computers, just as it will affect sales of all sorts of capital equipment. I don't see that computers will be singled out for an unreasonably large cut. Computers are as much part of the fabric of production in this country as milling machines, light trucks, and carbon paper. I also see the current production levels as a little higher than reasonable, maybe 5-15% too high, and I see the possibility of a temporary decline, concentrated in sales of older models. Finally it makes me uncomfortable that my management occasionally buys expensive reports on the business outlook, and therefore might waste $3K on this report, which they could ignore for free. Does anyone else but Mr Bass have any experience with Mr Bass's previous scholarly works or reputation as a prognosticator? I would hate to waste my time trying to get management to read a report I didn't believe in, from a person I had no knowledge in, and then find out he was not highly regarded by his peers. His report would certainly have more appeal if it appeared in the Harvard Business Review, Wall Street Journal, or some other known source. Put me down as one of those silly fools who never see the light. Kurt Guntheroth Senior Software Engineer John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc. [These opinions are mine alone. In particular, Fluke management may] [also have been hit by a piece of sky and not seen fit to tell me. ]