Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!think!ames!pacbell!att-ih!ihnp4!inuxc!iuvax!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uxc.cso.uiuc.edu!uxe.cso.uiuc.edu!heisterb From: heisterb@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: 1-user restriction for VAXserver 35 Message-ID: <62500008@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 22 Mar 88 19:00:00 GMT Lines: 57 Nf-ID: #R:<8803211742.AA03441@ucbvax.Berke:-40:uxe.cso.uiuc.edu:62500008:000:2575 Nf-From: uxe.cso.uiuc.edu!heisterb Mar 22 13:00:00 1988 /* Written 4:28 am Mar 18, 1988 by ZWARTS@HGRRUG51.BITNET in uxe.cso.uiuc.edu:comp.os.vms */ /* ---------- "1-user restriction for VAXserver 35" ---------- */ Hello, [stuff] 1) Is it true that the single-user license is enforced by the hardware? 2) If true, is it possible to upgrade to a multi-user system? 3) Is the single-user restriction also restricting users with OPER priv? E.g. 4) How is a single-user defined? Is it possible to have several sessions (with different usernames) in different windows when using VWS(UIS)? F. Zwarts Phone: (+31)50-633619 Kernfysisch Versneller Instituut Bitnet/Earn: ZWARTS@HGRRUG51 Zernikelaan 25 Surfnet: KVIANA::ZWARTS 9747 AA Groningen Telefax: (+31)50-634003 The Netherlands Telex: 53410 rugro nl /* End of text from uxe.cso.uiuc.edu:comp.os.vms */ The single user license is enforced by the software (and DEC's lawyers), specifically LOGINOUT.EXE. The extra bit of hardware just lets the system know that you're a vaxstation, not a microvax. Note that patching LOGINOUT (or yanking the chip if you dare) violates your license. So far DEC says NO! to upgrading. Look at the price difference between a vaxstation and a microvax. Wow! I've run into cases where I could not log in as system. I really hate that, but don't see any way around it. I mean a group of cooperating users could all have OPER or SYSPRV, or what have you to bypass the restriction. You can get up to three people on a 2 user license in some cases. I think the order was 1) Joe logs in on a display window, 2) system logs in elsewhere, 3) Mary can log in on a display window. But don't quote me on that. I've yet to run into a limit on the number of times I can log in as myself. We're getting a vaxserver 3600 soon (two weeks and counting, yea!) and I suppose we will keep everyone OFF except system. What seems like an acceptable solution is to use an old black & white vaxstation (mine!) bought before the ban on multi-user licenses as a "window" into the LAVC for the folks without a workstation. Oh, at least the server can run as many batch jobs as you like. We have much work to do in the "discussions" with DEC on multi-user licenses. I think they're a bit greedier than they've a right to be. DJ Heisterberg National Center for Superconfusing Applications heisterb@uiucuxe.uiuc.edu 13004@ncsaa.ncsa.edu 13004@ncsavmsa.BITNET NCSA::13004