Xref: utzoo misc.legal:4347 comp.sys.ibm.pc:13713 comp.sys.mac:14427 comp.sys.apple:4908 comp.sys.atari.st:8589 comp.sys.hp:596 comp.sys.amiga:16680 Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!mit-eddie!uw-beaver!fluke!kurt From: kurt@tc.fluke.COM (Kurt Guntheroth) Newsgroups: misc.legal,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.apple,comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Apple Challenges HP New Wave, MS-Windows, Potentially OS/2 PM Message-ID: <3221@fluke.COM> Date: 25 Mar 88 17:26:57 GMT References: <5480@well.UUCP> <5492@well.UUCP> <1457@ur-tut.UUCP> <11830@sri-spam.istc.sri.com> <27668@linus.UUCP> Sender: news@tc.fluke.COM Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA Lines: 16 Apple is not challenging MS's use of mousies and windows, but of the use of windows with a specifically drawn bar on the top, a specifically drawn close gadget on the upper left, and all those specifically rendered images of specific buttons and controls all around the border. It is saying that MS's copy is so close as to confuse a legal mind over whose product it is. It is my opinion that Apple has a legitimate and moral right to protect their commercial art (a contradiction?) just like any logo or trademark. If MS wants windows, dialog boxes, file icons, etc., that may be ok, but they must "look and feel" different from the ones Apple uses so that you will be able to tell the products apart. MS might even be able to get away with putting them in the same place on the screen if they were drawn differently. making an argument that the placement on the screen was dictated by function, not by art. (There is even some evidence in the human factors literature for this). DRI redrew their window stuff and escaped (with an undisclosed settlement). Commodore redrew their window stuff in an effort to preempt a lawsuit by Apple for the same reason.