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From: eli@spdcc.COM (Steve Elias)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.misc
Subject: Re: NOT greenhouse effect / solar power satellites
Message-ID: <761@spdcc.COM>
Date: 31 Mar 88 03:01:02 GMT
References: <22678@bbn.COM> <5564@well.UUCP>
Reply-To: eli@spdcc.COM (Steve Elias)
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In article <5564@well.UUCP> pokey@well.UUCP (Jef Poskanzer) writes:
>Steve Elias is, as Jerry Pournelle put it, "not merely uninformed but
>aggressively misinformed."  This thermal pollution bullshit seems to recur

    speak for yourself, Jef.  we don't need bullshit comments like this.
    it figures that you would quote Pournelle.  you are both assholes.

>reason Steve is full of shit.  As John Carr and others mentioned, most of the
>inefficiencies in SPSs are off-planet.  The conversion from microwaves to
>electricity is extremely efficient.  (Yes, 90%.  Not 80%.  Not 50%.)  And the

     efficiency has nothing to do with the problem of thermal pollution.

>Now contrast that with ground-based solar, which Steve appears quite fond
>of.  

     i am fond of this?  thanks for letting me know.  be sure to keep
     me up to date on my beliefs.

>So the question is: for a given electrical capacity X, how much extra energy
>gets absorbed by the Earth?  For SPS, the answer is simple: 1.1 X -- X itself
    snore

>So, if you insist on being utterly paranoid and worrying about the thermal
>balance of the Earth, you should be out there campaigning hard for SPS,
>since by your own criteria it's 3.6 times better!  DO YOU GET IT YET STEVE?
>YOU'RE WRONG!  YOU'RE A MORON!  SHUT THE FUCK UP!

   i didn't come up with the theory myself, you unmitigated asshole.
   Frank Drake is not a moron.  (i'm not either, Jefy). 
   your obnoxious comments are not relevant to the debate.  all energy
   produced by solar power satellites would not otherwise enter the
   earth/atmosphere system.  so your silly arithmetic is pointless.
   if you had done your silly calculations properly, you would see that
   solar satellites are infinitely worse than most other energy sources.

>For the few reasonable people out there: the CO2-induced "greenhouse effect"
>is very very different, and is indeed a serious problem.  But of course
>SPS wins there too.

    jef -- you misunderstand my point completely.   jfc and  others out
    there apparently do not.  and they are capable of civil discussion.
    
    get lost.  take your silly arithmetic and silly 'one-f' and go
    eat some microwaves.