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From: areski@deepthot.UUCP (areski)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,alt.flame
Subject: Re: Arabs and Jews incapable of ethical universalism ?
Keywords: Zionism, Arabo-islamism, ethics
Message-ID: <1137@deepthot.UUCP>
Date: 3 Apr 88 16:42:44 GMT
References: <7958@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <2530@leadsv.UUCP> <8051@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <7904@oberon.USC.EDU> <8137@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <1136@deepthot.UUCP>
Reply-To: gazit@ganelon.usc.edu.UUCP
Organization: UWO CS, London Canada
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Posted: Sun Apr  3 11:42:44 1988


	I received the following private message from gazit@ganelon :

>	In article <1136$deepthot.UUCP> you write:
>
>>                                                       For all practical
>>purposes, Israel is now a nuclear power, and the Israelis will nuke their
>>neighbours if they are REALLY threatened.
>
>
>US will nuke nations on the other side of the globe if it is REALLY threatened.
>
>That's the way the world is.  Don't expect Israel to be better than other
>nations, fair treatment will be enough.
>
>Hillel               gazit%ganelon.usc.edu@oberon.usc.edu
>

	I am afraid gazit@ganelon is not getting the point.
This is not ``talk.goodness.mideast''. The fact that Israel IS a
nuclear power means that its 1948 borders are SECURE, 
and the Zionists have no right to use the ``secure borders issue'' 
--i.e. can't give land back, because this would make Israel insecure-- 
to camouflage their greed for Palestinian land and 
their hatred against Palestinian people,
whom they have been happily bombing, shooting and deporting
for the last 40 years.

	Due to its nuclear armament, Israel enjoys a level of security
NO OTHER COUNTRY in the Middle East enjoys. 
The successful expansionist policies of the State of Israel 
are another proof of its military might.
It also means that the military threat posed by PLO actions is
negligible : they are ``war commercials'' to keep the Palestinian
cause alive, at best.

	THEREFORE, the Israelis are in a position where they can afford
to be ``generous'', and listen to the justified demands of the
Palestinian people, the United Nations and everybody else.
In fact, this would not be ``generosity'', but plain political wisdom
and long-term strategic planning.

	Instead, the State of Israel sees itself as a Middle East Prussia, 
( "Un Etat dominateur et sur de lui" as General de Gaulle once put it).

	Prussia has been very successful indeed, but if you look
at a map, you will see that it has taken the Slavic people two centuries
to get rid of it.