Path: utzoo!hoptoad!dasys1!gf
From: gf@dasys1.UUCP (G Fitch)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Economics and Individualism (Too Long)
Keywords: consumption individual economy
Message-ID: <3758@dasys1.UUCP>
Date: 7 Apr 88 14:53:48 GMT
References: <3714@dasys1.UUCP> <860@vixie.UUCP>
Reply-To: gf@dasys1.UUCP (G Fitch)
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Organization: The Big Electric Cat
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In article <860@vixie.UUCP> paul@vixie.UUCP (Paul Vixie Esq) writes:
} In article <3714@dasys1.UUCP> gf@dasys1.UUCP (G Fitch) writes:
} # 
} # The economy we live in is driven by consumption....
} 
} You begin with Marx's premises and definitions, and you end with Marx's
} conclusions -- no surprise.  I wonder if you are aware of his influence,
} or whether his ideas are so pervasive that you got ahold of them without
} knowing their source?

Via Marcuse.  But wait!  I do not regard either Marx or Marcuse as
authorities, just sources of ideas.
 
} The whole "surplus labor value" idea is basically bunk.  If you start from
} this premise, only utter totalitarian communism makes sense.

1. Would you care to demonstrate the second of the above two sentences?

2. Where does capital come from?

} I'm not an economist, but I can get one for you if you want to discuss this
} further.... 

I'm interested in the social effects of economic forces, among other things.
Many economists are not.  A redeeming feature of K. Marx was his idea that
economic phenomena do not occur in an abstract vacuum. 
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