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From: bob@allosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Sutterfield)
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Subject: Re: Reprise: If Emacs is a text editor, Unix is a C compiler
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Date: 6 Apr 88 20:12:46 GMT
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In article <8803291504.AA08952@unipress.uucp> mg@unipress.UUCP (required by law) writes:
> [...a bunch of other glowing stuff nobody can really argue with :-)
> [...also some impressivly balanced comments about how his own
> [...product compares to GNU Emacs...]

>We (UniPress) sell a commercial version of Emacs originally written
>by James Gosling, who also wrote NeWS.  GnuEmacs is a free (but not
>public domain) version also descended from Gosling's Emacs.

All Gosling code has been excised in recent versions.

>...GnuEmacs doesn't directly cost much money if you know where to get
>it (I think $150 from the Free Software Foundation).

Repeat the mantra: "That $150 is a tape copying fee."  If you don't
want to pay FSF to spin tapes for you, you can get it via anonymous
FTP from prep.ai.mit.edu, or via anonymous UUCP from osu-cis.

>Also, unlike FSF, we LIKE NeWS.

This is a FSF attitude that I entirely disagree with.  Chris Miao
added support for NeWS 1.0 in Emacs 18.49, and Clayton Elwell fixed
some stuff up for NeWS 1.1 in Emacs 18.50.  I understand that Chris's
changes were offered back to FSF as a contribution to their efforts,
but were turned down because of NeWS' proprietary status.

RMS, why not accept the changes on the same basis that VMS and SunView
are included in the distribution: work that willing contributors
offered, in order to give the product a wider audience, in those mean,
nasty, proprietary non-standard environments?

Yes, I know that RMS doesn't read this newsgroup, but if we get
everybody singing the first four bars... he'll think it's a movement!

>Mike Gallaher, Emacs Hacker Boss, UniPress Software
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 Bob Sutterfield, Department of Computer and Information Science
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