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From: peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Just the facts, maam.
Message-ID: <1816@sugar.UUCP>
Date: 11 Apr 88 13:33:58 GMT
References: <900@nuchat.UUCP> <1961@dino.ulowell.edu>
Organization: Sugar Land UNIX - Houston, TX
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In article <1961@dino.ulowell.edu>, miner@ulowell.UUCP writes:
> In article <900@nuchat.UUCP> peter@nuchat.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes:
> >I'm sure they're great programs, but I just don't like the way they taste.
> >I have been given to understand, for example, that Conman includes a pipe
> >device.  What's a pipe doing there? It doesn't make sense to me. 
> 
> There is no pipe in Conman, get your facts straight!

Well, I was told that you had to be running ConMan to use the pipes in
WShell. By Bill Hawes himself. That sounds like there's a pipe there.

> You haven't even worked with the system!  How do you expect anyone to respect
> your opinions?  Don't critique what you have not tried!  

I haven't tried heroin or cocaine either. No, that's not fair. Look, as soon
as I get the necessary funds approved (by my wife) I'll try it out.

> If you looked at Bill Hawes programs you would see that he preaches and
> follows this same philosophy.

Well, ConMan doesn't. I used it for a few days and got totally disgusted with
it. It doesn't fit well into the Amiga: it should have a new name, for example,
rather than patching console.device. Than I could do a NewCLI CONMAN:... and
still use the old console.device. Why would I want to? Well...

I couldn't use it while checking out my programs because it allocates and
frees memory as commands scroll through the command history. Which meant I
could never be sure whether I really had a memory leak or not.

If I still had access to the old console.device I could have opened up a new
CLI window with it and done my tests there. Since most of what I do on this
machine *is* programming that makes it completely useless for me.

Somewhere on my list of things to do is a better console.device. But first I
have some work to do on Browser, and I want to go back and polish my file
requestor a bit, and then there's "launch", and I've probably got to do a bit
more work on Tracers, and then there's my real job...

This is all beginning to remind me of Richard Stallman. Another brilliant
programmer who doesn't seem to have a good overall perspective.

At least you guys don't want to bring back file version numbers (I hope).
-- 
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-- "Have you hugged your U wolf today?" ...!bellcore!tness1!sugar!peter
-- Disclaimer: These aren't mere opinions, these are *values*.