Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!lll-winken!lll-lcc!ames!oliveb!sun!ember!dre From: dre%ember@Sun.COM (David Emberson) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Proposed architecture characterization survey form Message-ID: <50070@sun.uucp> Date: 19 Apr 88 21:28:32 GMT References: <2048@gumby.mips.COM> Sender: news@sun.uucp Lines: 15 Summary: Architecture v.s. Implementation Of course, the number of cycles to do this or that is a function of the implementation, not the architecture. And none of us will supply the really interesting data--on the chips we haven't announced yet! Earl, if the purpose of this exercise is to prove that the R3000 will outbench the 16 MHz Fujitsu SPARC, then on behalf of Sun Microsystems I concede (assuming your published data to be correct--I have never seen an R3000). How about adding to the list "total dollars being invested in new implementations?" And don't forget "number of engineers worldwide working on this architecture." Ah, this is going to be one fun war--and we all win! Dave Emberson (dre@sun.com)