Xref: utzoo comp.sys.apple:5531 comp.sys.ibm.pc:14564 comp.windows.misc:470 Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!ames!pasteur!ucbvax!decwrl!decvax!mandrill!neoucom!wtm From: wtm@neoucom.UUCP (Bill Mayhew) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.windows.misc Subject: Re: Apple Lawsuit (was BOYCOTT APPLE, etc.) Message-ID: <1112@neoucom.UUCP> Date: 17 Apr 88 14:53:02 GMT References: <292@unicom.UUCP> <663@csm9a.UUCP> <4283@dandelion.CI.COM> <10420@steinmetz.ge.com> Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 45 Keywords: Microsoft, HP New Wave, Xerox, Lawsuit Summary: Apple without merit (from a Windows user's viewpoint) Hi, Winodws 386, which contains as a subunit, Windows 2.03 (one types just "win" to get 2.03, while "win386" get '386). The above software is running on the PS/2-80 where I am typing at this very instant, using the Windows terminal emulator, in fact. I was surprised when I first heard of Apple's suit, since operationally, Windows is very, very different from the Macintosh interface (yes, I've used them both). What upsets me is that the "evidence" photos are pretty well doctored-up -- at least so it would seem by what comes up on my screen when I run windows. The default icons don't look anything like the icons on the Macintosh and the way that windows are moved, sized, incon-ized, etc. happens much differently than it does on the Macintosh. It would seem that the only leg that Apple has to stand on is the visual similarity of the doctored photos. Note that the photos I've seen in Infoworld and PC Week really do cheat since apple was careful to photograph the color display of Windows on black & white film to make sure that it would look more Macintosh-like. I think that if Apple really thinks it can win, that it must be hoping that a jury of computer neophytes will believe that the two products have substantial visual similarity based on the photos, and probably the screens of computers that are dragged into court to show off the programs. My test would be to sit a random citizen down in a room with a screen, keyboard and mouse for a PC and a Mac sitting on a table and have the person try it out. Finally, ask the citizen if it feels that the two displays are made by the same type of machine. I'd bet that most people would say, "no". It really would appear that Apple is just using IBM's F.U.D. (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) to keep its developers from abandoning ship for what could be the potentially more lucrative IBM market. By throwing some uncertainly on the introduction date of Presentation Manager, developers are going to have to be pragmatic and continue writing for the environment where they are assured of getting sales (i.e. the Mac). I'd be a little nervous about writing for the OS/2 and/or windows environment right now -- especially if all my former efforts had been in the Mac arena. --Bill