Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!rutgers!mtunx!whuts!whutt!mls From: mls@whutt.UUCP (SIEMON) Newsgroups: sci.misc Subject: Re: Digression Message-ID: <3103@whutt.UUCP> Date: 25 Apr 88 14:54:49 GMT References: <5017@uwmcsd1.UUCP+ <2790@gryphon.CTS.COM> <1221@uop.edu> <1439@uop.edu> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 30 In article <1439@uop.edu>, todd@uop.edu (Dr. Nethack) writes: > If I must, I will have to go home and start posting from my rather > unusual library of science, psuedo-science, archaeology, history, > Yes, you must :-) Babylonian prognostications based on (linear approximation) phenomena calculations ("phenomena" include rising/setting times, eclipses, and such like) go back into (but not far into) the 2nd millenium B.C. If you care to call omen reading (for success in war, etc., directed at the ruler of a country, with reference entirely to events of nationwide significance) astrology, you can make a case for it extending back to then. And if you get thoroughly vague about "people responding to regularities in the sky" as being astrology, you can of course "find" astrology in many cultures stretching back to megalithic Europe. BUT the notion of an astronomical configuration corresponding to an individual and in some sense following that individual through life as a determinant in the individual's fortune (I've been non-sexist here; actually all the original cases are for males) goes back to circa 300 B.C. -- the first one known is on a mountainside carving glorifying one of the Seleucids (Antiochos umpty-umpth.) The classical form of the horoscope developed very rapidly in the next 100-200 years. Read Neugebauer for the data (and especially for the fascinating story of the development of Mesopotamian astronomy.) -- Michael L. Siemon contracted to AT&T Bell Laboratories ihnp4!mhuxu!mls standard disclaimer