Xref: utzoo sci.research:354 sci.psychology:243 talk.politics.misc:9294 talk.philosophy.misc:1008 soc.misc:698 Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!ames!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!mtunx!mtuxo!lzfme!dbk From: dbk@lzfme.UUCP (D.KAFLOWITZ) Newsgroups: sci.research,sci.psychology,talk.politics.misc,talk.philosophy.misc,soc.misc Subject: Re: Annals of Research Message-ID: <565@lzfme.UUCP> Date: 25 Apr 88 18:16:57 GMT References: <2663@polya.STANFORD.EDU> Organization: AT&T, Middletown NJ Lines: 35 Keywords: baboons, stress Summary: Horrible. Questionable results on top of that. In article <2663@polya.STANFORD.EDU>, roberts@polya.STANFORD.EDU (Paul Roberts) writes: > > > J. Findley, W. Robinson, and W. Gilliam of the Johns Hopkins > University Medical School have reported on a restraining chair they > have developed for long-term studies on baboons. Noting that ``the > difficulties of restraint increase markedly with the use of electric > shock'' they ``anchor'' the baboons' arms so as not to allow the > animal to straighten them. At the same time they allow room for > ``considerable growth'' to be expected in a long-term study. For the > delivery of electric shock the baboon is fitted with an electrode > around the waist, and other metal parts, including the seat itself, > serve as a second electrode for the delivery of electric current. The > report states that twenty-two baboons and rhesus monkeys have been > restrained in this manner for ``lengthy periods,'' - ``several'' of > them for one-and-a-half years of ``continuous experimentation''. > I am not one of these wild-eyed animal rights activists and am quite aware that at some point it becomes necessary to use a model for scientific research. Additionally, animals are sometimes the only appropriate model for experiments which rival the Inquisition in the horror one feels at hearing them described. Nevertheless, as a (I hope) sensitive thinking man who is aware that the earth and its creatures are not the mere toys of humans I cannot help but be outraged at the above story. And now for the philosophical part... How could the results of such experimentation retain any credibility? I think I can find some agreement that changes in the circumstances in which a creature exists can produce changes in that creatures physiology and its normal responses to various stimuli. To put a creature in restraints for lengthy periods of time must produce changes in its physiology and therefore skew the results. Bad show, Mssrs. Robinson and Gilliam, and a porr display of humanity.