Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!husc6!yale!dvm From: dvm@yale.UUCP (Drew Mcdermott) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Raising Consciousness Keywords: philosophy, free will Message-ID: <29049@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> Date: 13 May 88 16:18:59 GMT Organization: Yale University, New Haven, CT Lines: 104 I would like to suggest a more constrained direction for the discussion about free will. In response to my proposal, Harry Plantinga wrote: As an argument that people don't have free will in the common sense, this would only be convincing to ... someone who already thinks people don't have free will. I believe most of the confusion about this concept comes from there not being any agreed-upon "common sense" of the term "free will." To the extent that there is a common consensus, it is probably in favor of dualism, the belief that the absolute sway of physical law stops at the cranium. Unfortunately, ever since the seventeenth century, the suspicion has been growing among the well informed that this kind of dualism is impossible. And that's where the free-will problem comes from; we seem to make decisions, but how is that possible in a world completely describable by physics? If we want to debate about AI versus dualism (or, to be generous to Mr. Cockton et al., AI versus something-else-ism), we can. I don't view the question as at all settled. However, for the purposes of this discussion we ought to pretend it is settled, and avoid getting bogged down in a general debate about whether AI is possible at all. Let's assume it is, and ask what place free will would have in the resulting world view. This attitude will inevitably require that we propose technical definitions of free will, or propose dispensing with the concept altogether. Such definitions must do violence to the common meaning of the term, if only because they will lack the vagueness of the common meaning. But science has always operated this way. I count four proposals on the table so far: 1. (Propose by various people) Free will has something to do with randomness. 2. (McCarthy and Hayes) When one says "Agent X can do action A," or "X could have done A," one is implicitly picturing a situation in which X is replaced by an agent X' that can perform the same behaviors as X, but reacts to its inputs differently. Then "X can do A" means "There is an X' that would do A." It is not clear what free will comes to in this theory. 3. (McDermott) To say a system has free will is to say that it is "reflexively extracausal," that is, that it is sophisticated enough to think about its physical realization, and hence (to avoid inefficacy) that it must realize that this physical realization is exempt from causal modeling. 4. (Minsky et al.) There is no such thing as free will. We can dispense with the concept, but for various emotional reasons we would rather not. I will defend my theory at greater length some other time. Let me confine myself here to attacking the alternatives. The randomness theory has the problem that it presents a necessary, but presumably not sufficient, condition for a system to have free will. It is all very well to say that a coin "chose to come up heads," but I would prefer a theory that would actually distinguish between systems that make decisions and those that don't. This is not (prima facie) a mystical distinction; a stock-index arbitrage program decides to buy or sell, at least at first blush, whereas there is no temptation to say a coin decides anything. The people in the randomness camp owe us an account of this distinction. I don't disagree with McCarthy and Hayes's idea, except that I am not sure exactly whether they want to retain the notion of free will. Position (4) is to dispense with the idea of free will altogether. I am half in favor of this. I certainly think we can dispense with the notion of "will"; having "free will" is not having a will that is free, as opposed to brutes who have a will that is not free. But it seems that it is incoherent to argue that we *should* dispense with the idea of free will completely, because that would mean that we shouldn't use words like "should." Our whole problem is to preserve the legitimacy of our usual decision-making vocabulary, which (I will bet any amount) everyone will go on using no matter what we decide. Furthermore, Minsky's idea of a defense mechanism to avoid facing the consequences of physics seems quite odd. Most people have no need for this defense mechanism, because they don't understand physics in the first place. Dualism is the obvious theory for most people. Among the handful who appreciate the horror of the position physics has put us in, there are plenty of people who seem to do fine without the defense mechanism (including Minsky himself), and they go right on talking as if they made decisions. Are we to believe that sufficient psychotherapy would cure them of this? To summarize, I would like to see discussion confined to technical proposals regarding these concepts, and what the consequences of adopting one of them would be for morality. Of course, what I'll actually see is more meta-discussion about whether this suggestion is reasonable. By the way, I would like to second the endorsement of Dennett's book about free will, "Elbow Room," which others have recommended. I thank Mr. Rapoport for the reading list. I'll return the favor with a reference I got from Dennett's book: D.M. Mackay 1960 On the logical indeterminacy of a free choice. {\it Mind \bf 69}, pp. 31--40 Mackay points out that someone could predict my behavior, but that (a) It would be misleading to say I was "ignorant of the truth" about the prediction, because I couldn't be told the truth without changing it. (b) Any prediction would be conditional on the predictor's decision not to tell me about it. -- Drew McDermott