Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!pdn!colin From: colin@pdn.UUCP (Colin Kendall) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Free Will & Self-Awareness Message-ID: <3161@pdn.UUCP> Date: 18 May 88 09:30:01 GMT References: <8805151907.AA01702@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> <445@aiva.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Paradyne Corporation, Largo, Florida Lines: 61 In article <445@aiva.ed.ac.uk>, jeff@aiva.ed.ac.uk (Jeff Dalton) writes: > In article <8805092354.AA05852@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> eyal@COYOTE.STANFORD.EDU (Eyal Mozes) writes: > >This is why I consider Ayn Rand's theory of free will to be such an > >important achievement - because it is the only free-will theory > >directly confirmed by what anyone can observe in his own thoughts. > > As far as you have explained so far, Rand's theory is little more > than simply saying that free will = the ability to focus consciousness, > which we can all observe. Since we can all observe this without the > aid of Rand's theory, all Rand seems to be saying is "that's all there > is to it". > I agree. I'm a strict determinist. But let me make these observations: 1. We can never know whether free will exists, because: If it does not exist, i.e. if everything is determined, then no matter how long we discuss it nor how convincingly we argue that free will does exist, it doesn't matter; we are predestined to do so. That is, we may be predestined to fool ourselves into believing in free will; in fact, I believe, many of us are, including Ayn Rand; but that is no argument for the existence of free will. 2. Therefore, each person *believes* in free will or doesn't. Free willers may describe this as a result of rational arguments, or as a leap of faith; I consider it the consequence of an individual's genetic makeup and life experiences, including being subjected to arguments for and against free will. So I think arguing about whether free will exists is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin - fascinating, no doubt, to some, but rather pointless. What is interesting is whether we will try to program free will into artificially intelligent entities. Let us suppose that some AI researchers have constructed such an entity, and they ask it, "Do you have free will?", and it says, "Of course". Now, either the researchers will have expected that answer because of the way they programmed it, or they won't; and the researchers are either free willers or determinists. If they had expected that answer, and they are free willers, then they will not have accomplished anything, because the entity is simply saying what they programmed it to say, and is not exhibiting free will. If they had expected that answer, and they are determinists, then they will be able to say, like me, "See! This poor entity was predestined (by us) to believe that he has free will." If they had not expected that answer, and they are free willers, then they can say, like me, "See! We have created a being so intelligent that he, like us, has free will." If they had not expected that answer, and they are determinists, then they will attempt to fix their programming error. -- Colin Kendall Paradyne Corporation {gatech,akgua}!usfvax2!pdn!colin Mail stop LF-207 Phone: (813) 530-8697 8550 Ulmerton Road, PO Box 2826 Largo, FL 33294-2826