Xref: utzoo comp.ai:1799 talk.philosophy.misc:1056 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!bloom-beacon!gatech!uflorida!novavax!proxftl!bill From: bill@proxftl.UUCP (T. William Wells) Newsgroups: comp.ai,talk.philosophy.misc Subject: Re: Free Will & Self-Awareness Summary: a typical Objectivist with typical problems Message-ID: <205@proxftl.UUCP> Date: 22 May 88 02:22:57 GMT References: <8805151907.AA01702@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> <445@aiva.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Proximity Technology, Ft. Lauderdale Lines: 74 In article <445@aiva.ed.ac.uk>, jeff@aiva.ed.ac.uk (Jeff Dalton) writes: > In article <8805092354.AA05852@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> eyal@COYOTE.STANFORD.EDU (Eyal Mozes) writes: >... > As far as you have explained so far, Rand's theory is little more > than simply saying that free will = the ability to focus consciousness, > which we can all observe. Since we can all observe this without the > aid of Rand's theory, all Rand seems to be saying is "that's all there > is to it". > > -- Jeff Actually, from what I have read so far, it seems that the two of you are arguing different things; moreover, eyal@COYOTE.STANFORD .EDU (Eyal Mozes) has committed, at the very least, a sin of omission: he has not explained Rand's theory of free will adequately. Following is the Objectivist position as I understand it. Please be aware that I have not included everything needed to justify this position, nor have I been as technically correct as I might have been; my purpose here is to trash a debate which seems to be based on misunderstandings. To those of you who want a justification, I will (given enough interest) eventually be doing so on talk.philosophy.misc, where I hope to be continuing my discussion of Objectivism. Please direct any followups to that group. Entities are the only causes: they cause their actions. Their actions may be done to other entities, and this may require the acted on entity to cause itself to act in some way. In that case, one can use `cause' in a derivative sense, saying: the acting entities (the agents) caused the acted upon entities (the patient) to act in a certain way. One can also use `cause' to refer to a chain of such. This derivative sense is the normal use for the word `cause', and there is always an implied action. If, in order that an entity can act in some way, other entities must act on it, then those agents are a necessary cause for the patient's action. If, given a certain set of actions performed by some entities, a patient will act in a certain way, then those agents are a sufficient cause for the patient's actions. The Objectivist version of free will asserts that there are (for a normally functioning human being) no sufficient causes for what he thinks. There are, however, necessary causes for it. This means that while talking about thinking, no statement of the form "X(s) caused me to think..." is an valid statement about what is going on. In terms of the actual process, what happens is this: various entities provide the material which you base your thinking on (and are thus necessary causes for what you think), but an action, not necessitated by other entities, is necessary to direct your thinking. This action, which you cause, is volition. > But where does the "subject of your own choice" come from? I wasn't > thinking of letting one's thoughts wander, although what I said might > be interpreted that way. When you decide what to think about, did > you decide to decide to think about *that thing*, and if so how did > you decide to decide to decide, and so on? Shades of Zeno! One does not "decide to decide" except when one does so in an explicit sense. ("I was waffling all day; later that evening I put my mental foot down and decided to decide once and for all.") Rather, you perform an act on your thoughts to direct them in some way; the name for that act is "decision". Anyway, in summary, Rand's theory is not just that "free will = the ability to focus consciousness" (actually, to direct certain parts of one's consciousness), but that this act is not necessitated by other entities.