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From: hack@bellboy.UUCP (Greg Hackney)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Elm, the newsgroup from hell
Keywords: flames from below
Message-ID: <1039@bellboy.UUCP>
Date: 22 May 88 18:37:41 GMT
References: <1022@bellboy.UUCP> <2998@s.cc.purdue.edu> <1029@bellboy.UUCP> <3023@s.cc.purdue.edu>
Reply-To: hack@bellboy.UUCP (Greg Hackney)
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In article <3023@s.cc.purdue.edu> rsk@s.cc.purdue.edu.UUCP (Wombat) writes:
>In article <1029@bellboy.UUCP> hack@bellboy.UUCP (Greg Hackney) writes:
>>In my opinion, the author dropped out of the race without passing the baton.
>Such is the author's privilege.

True. And after discussing the subject with a couple of people, we
agreed it was a smart thing that David Taylor was lessening his
involvement with Elm. After all, who would want to be doing Elm hacks
for the rest of their life. It would banannify the brain.

I was on the original Elm mailing list before it became a newsgroup,
back when it was moderated by David. What I got out of his postings,
was a desire to have Elm take off on it's own, with minimal involvement
from him. (And, he indicated that was HP's desire also.)

What I meant by dropping the baton is... I'm sure it is not David's desire
that Elm fade away. He indicated that it should evolve. Then he said
he was resigning as moderator. It appears to me that the project was
not handed off to a volunteer to keep up with the bugs and releases.
There were a couple of people that wrote in that they were interested
in handling the project, but I don't think the issue was addressed.

I'm not real sure how this sort of thing is "officially" done,
but if no one is coordinating the distribution, and someone
would like to, I would suggest they email to taylor@hplabs
and coordinate it with him.

Dave, I'd almost bet my paycheck that you read this newsgroup
silently, but I'm sending you this article via email, as it
appears we need your help so that folks can get back on
current releases and patch levels. I know that you are not
moderating the group, but from your prior postings I
gather that you still work on Elm, and are still willinging
and able to work on the Elm project perhaps through the postings
of a volunteer???

I am not trying to belittle Dave, on the contrary, he has always
replied promptly to my email, I appreciate all the work he has done,
and I am grateful to HP for the public service that he is has performed.

My goal was to sufficiently stir up the newsgroup into activity. My
motive is to get some of my Elm bugs resolved by the community. Also,
I would like to see someone take over control of patches and releases.
And I apologize if you were offended when I said to "buzz off".

-- 
Greg