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From: pete@octopus.UUCP (Pete Holzmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc
Subject: Re: Proposed comp.sys.ibm.pc.tech
Summary: 'Real traffic' is in the eye of the reader!
Message-ID: <233@octopus.UUCP>
Date: 21 May 88 06:11:18 GMT
References: <216@octopus.UUCP> <5697@gssc.UUCP> <229@octopus.UUCP> <643@csccat.UUCP>
Reply-To: pete@octopus.UUCP (Pete Holzmann)
Organization: Octopus Enterprises, Cupertino CA
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In article <643@csccat.UUCP> loci@csccat.UUCP (Chuck Brunow) writes:
[in response to my suggestions about how to split up c.s.i.p]

>	Look at the actual traffic in this group. There just isn't
>	enough real poop to justify any additional groups. Where are

The definition of 'real poop' is up to the reader. What's 'real' to you
may be 'poop' as far as I'm concerned, and vice versa :-)!

>	you going to put the innumeral "Hey, me too, i'm missing parts
>	of ....". Maybe comp.sys.ibm.me.too? Or the stimulating

How about the appropriate group that exists *now*? comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d?
I'd love to see that group regionalized, by the way...

>	and informative comparisons ... "Arc/zoo/blah/blah"? How about

Software comparisons would go in the applications-program group. (One good
suggestion I've received by email is 'comp.msdos.user').

>	comp.sys.ibm.re.invent.the.wheel.again.again.again. Or the

Depends on which wheel you're talking about. In general, it would be good
for a few people to step forward and offer to archive the answers to common
question topics. Right now, the only pc-related topic for which this is
being done is the ever-better interrupt list. The same could be done for
ECHO/etc patches, or compression discussions, or... That's how things used
to be in the good 'ole days on the net: If you asked a common question, you'd
get an offer (by email) from someone to send you a summary of prior 
discussions.

>	posting where people try to get organized and ask for opinions
>	and votes? comp.sys.ibm.waste.of.time.and.space? I think there

Asking publicly for private opinions makes lots of sense. You could have
sent me YOUR opinion privately, for example. As it is, I feel compelled to
defend my request publicly, and we have more comp.sys.ibm.waste.of.time.and.
space!

>	are two natural groups that you've overlooked...
>
>	comp.sys.ibm.flame.city & comp.sys.ibm.bit.bucket
>	
>	Everything can fit in these easily. If not, use e-mail.

Only garbage should be posted, and useful stuff should be emailed? I'll
parse that as a joke :-( and assume that you simply have an attitude
problem (understandable after all the trash we've been seeing).

To summarize: in a perfect net with all contributions coming from grade A
people who have lots of common sense, the signal to noise ratio would be
wonderful and there'd be no need to split up c.s.i.p, because it would be
a self-moderating group. That isn't reality. We need a way to deal with
reality, and yelling at people isn't helping.

Pete
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