Xref: utzoo news.groups:3726 news.admin:2157 alt.flame:1911 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!yale!shefter-bret From: shefter-bret@CS.YALE.EDU (Bret A. Shefter) Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin,alt.flame Subject: Re: Changes to How to Create a New Newsgroup Summary: I may be violently ill Keywords: webber Message-ID: <29083@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> Date: 13 May 88 20:21:25 GMT References: <4029@medusa.cs.purdue.edu> Sender: root@yale.UUCP Reply-To: shefter-bret@CS.YALE.EDU (Bret A. Shefter) Followup-To: news.groups Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept, New Haven CT 06520-2158 Lines: 66 Distribution: *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MEmunch, munch, smack gulp In article <4029@medusa.cs.purdue.edu> spaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) writes: >This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of >the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to this >group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. > >! ...Also >! note that these are general *guidelines* -- there is no guarantee that >! any site will ever issue or honor a "newgroup" request for any group, >! even if all these guidelines are followed. In particular, problems of >! legality, volume and taste may keep some groups from being created in >! the regular newsgroup hierarchy at many (or most) sites, no matter what >! the perceived support; in general, such groups can be created in the >! alternate distributions without any such trouble. > >! ...Also determine if there are >! potential objections to the creation of the group based on common sense, >! good taste, or possible legal difficulties -- such groups are best >! left as mailing lists or semi-private hierarchies. > >! ...The name should directly describe the purpose and >! content of the proposed group, to aid new readers in selecting it. > > 5) Collect MAILED votes on the issue of the new newsgroup. The >! threshold currently set as necessary for creating a new group is 100 >! more "yes" votes than "no" votes in a 30 day period. >--- 111,114 ----- > 5) Collect MAILED votes on the issue of the new newsgroup. The >! threshold currently set as necessary to suggest creating a new group is >! 100 more "yes" votes than "no" votes in a 30 day period. >-- >Gene Spafford >NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center, >Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004 >Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spaf I have been watching the discussion surrounding the newsgroup proposed by Bob Webber with a mixture of wonder and disgust. Mr. Webber set out to prove a point. He called for votes to create a new group. I did not vote either way, supporting (I thought) my faith in the current voting system. Mr. Webber col- lected the requisite number of votes, and requested the creation of his group. For various reasons which are not worth rehashing, the group has not been created. The general concensus is that, regardless of whether Mr. Webber has proved his point, the group itself is worthless. And, though Mr. Webber has abided by the rules as they previously existed, the unwritten law of the back- bone has defeated him. Now, there is a new version of the rules for creating a new newsgroup. And for the life of me I have *NEVER* before seen such a thinly veiled attack on one individual by a supposedly responsible member of an administration. Gene Spafford has collected the arguments used against Mr. Webber and incorporated them into the official guidelines *retroactively*, so that there is now com- plete justification for the actions taken in his case. Jesus Christ, didn't anybody here ever read *Animal Farm*??? Congratulations, Mr. Spafford. You have succeeded in making me sick. Oh, sure, I know you don't care, because I'm only a lowly news *reader*, but I'm posting this anyway. You don't like it? Unsubscribe to news.groups, and un- subscribe to news.admin. That's the message you're passing on to us. A thoroughly pissed-off Shadow -- From the only slightly twisted mind of... shefter-bret@yale.ARPA * DISCLAIMER * shefter@yalecs.BITNET It's not my fault! ...!ihnp4!hsi!yale!shefter ...!decvax!yale!shefter "Elementary, my dear Riker...sir."