Xref: utzoo news.groups:3743 news.admin:2175 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!ames!ncar!gatech!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!constance.rutgers.edu!webber From: webber@constance.rutgers.edu (Bob Webber) Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin Subject: Re: What about when a group is obviously needed Message-ID: Date: 15 May 88 08:24:48 GMT References: <1592@looking.UUCP> <863@imagine.PAWL.RPI.EDU> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 27 To: webber@aramis.rutgers.edu In article <863@imagine.PAWL.RPI.EDU>, jesup@pawl15.pawl.rpi.edu (Randell E. Jesup) writes: > In article webber@constance.rutgers.edu (Bob Webber) writes: > > In the past, I would have > >advised you to take the vote, but now that it appears that votes don't > >matter, I would say send the create group messages. > > Now I think (if it wasn't fairly obvious before) Webber's purpose for the > comp...eniac proposal is made more obvious: it gives him ammunition > to try to undermine the backbone and the new group creation guidelines. Absolutely not. Although I knew that the backbone was generally a humorless and incompetent lot, I had every reason to expect that a proper vote on a group whose name was not offensive to people with Victorian moralities would be sufficient to get the group created. The fact that they have chosen to substantially modify the guidelines (see latest newuser posting) is sufficient evidence to me that they realize that the group satisfied the previous guidelines [indeed, it satisfies the current guidelines as well, the main significance of the new guidelines are the emphasis placed on the fact that following the guidelines is meaningless]. I now find myself in the position where I can not recommend to anyone the undertaking of the effort of collecting a vote because there is no reason to believe that the backbone will give its result any form of good faith consideration. It is not a position I enjoy being in and it is not a position that I sought, but it is my current position, to do otherwise would be to ignore the facts of the last few months. ---- BOB (webber@athos.rutgers.edu ; rutgers!athos.rutgers.edu!webber)