Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!mailrus!ames!pasteur!ucbvax!decwrl!hplabs!sdcrdcf!trwrb!aero!venera.isi.edu!smoliar From: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Free Will & Self-Awareness Keywords: Look, this is basic scientific method we're on about Message-ID: <5569@venera.isi.edu> Date: 24 May 88 03:41:30 GMT References: <1029@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> <4134@super.upenn.edu> <3200014@uiucdcsm> <1484@pt.cs.cmu.edu> <5100@pucc.Princeton.EDU> <1099@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> <5474@venera.isi.edu> <1173@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Sender: news@venera.isi.edu Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!mailrus!ames!pasteur!ucbvax!decwrl!hplabs!sdcrdcf!trwrb!aero!venera.isi.edu!smoliar From: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Free Will & Self-Awareness Keywords: Look, this is basic scientific method we're on about Message-ID: <5569@venera.isi.edu> Date: 24 May 88 03:41:30 GMT References: <1029@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> <4134@super.upenn.edu> <3200014@uiucdcsm> <1484@pt.cs.cmu.edu> <5100@pucc.Princeton.EDU> <1099@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> <5474@venera.isi.edu> <1173@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Sender: news@venera.isi.edu Lines: 23 In article <1173@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> gilbert@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Gilbert Cockton) writes: > No-one in AI seems to be concerned >with the truth question, and that's serious where academic study is >concerned. I'm not saying AI researchers are to BLAME, but they certainly >are easy TO blame. The lack of concern is DISTASTEFUL. As is the pursuit of >areas of enquiry in arrogant self-imposed ignorance of other relevant and >available knowledge. As far as academic values are concerned, it is >distasteful to ignore established bodies of knowledge, techniques, concepts >and arguments. It is distasteful in its lack of humility and the arrogance >that >a mathematically or technically trained person can wade in, uninformed and >hope to have any insight about problems when their understanding is so >obviously >inadequate when compared to the best traditions available in real disciplines. >I cite 4 years reading of comp.ai.digest seminar abstracts as evidence. > Now that Gilbert Cockton has revealed the source of his knowledge of artificial intelligence, I must say that I agree whole-heartedly with those who have suggested that the discussion be moved to a "softer" forum, such as a "talk" newsgroup. Readers who sample this newsgroup only occasionally might think that he was writing from a position of actual experience in artificial intelligence, and that would be a dangerous confusion!