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From: mwm@eris (Mike (I'm in love with my car) Meyer)
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Subject: Re: HELP ME (*Oh, what a flame for JJ@Portal*)
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Date: 26 May 88 05:32:22 GMT
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In article <8577@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> jadler@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Josh Adler) writes:
<In article <034449.2147405664@cc.usu.edu> SL747@usu.bitnet writes:
<>You obviously have enough money to be able to get on the computer
<>everyday and send that same damn message.
<
<Talk about a way to waste a flame and lots of our stupid time!
<First off, if you were so bloody concerned about spending money on
<the net, you could have merely e-mailed him a response, Instead,
<you waste my time and more net money by posting this piece of idiotic
<babble to five newsgroups. Pretty hypocritical.

True - I bet jj's mail box is _full_. I hope portal charges for disk
usage, including mail boxes.

You, on the other hand, would be a lot more believable if you
practiced what you preached.

Me, I thought about what I was doing, and decided to post. But I cut
the Newsgroups: line to at least semi-relevant newsgroups.

Of course, the cost of the verbiage about jj's posting will probably
far outwiegh the cost of the posting. I think that's been true every
time someone did something truly asinine on the net in all cases but
one.

<And second, just because he has access to the net doesn't mean he has
<the money to pay for it. Many colleges allow access to the net and posting
<FREE OF CHARGE, i.e., the college foots the bill.

Correct, some colleges do that. But if you read what you replied to,
you'd have noticed that the article came form "cup.portal.com." A
passing familiarity with the net is required for you to know that they
are a company that makes _money_ selling people net access.

<I, for one, found the appeal for small donations to be a rather ingenious
<if not downright ballsy way to pay the tuition bill.

Of course - but you're posting from a large school, and are probably a
student. You're not expected to have any concept of what's really
involved in dealing with something in the real world, like the net.

<If asking for money over the net is
<really such a horrible thing, then he won't GET any, will he? QED.

Well, jj has managed to save some money he otherwise would have spent.
I have it on good authority that his account on cup.portal.com has
been trimmed of privs - if not terminated completely.

On the other hand, he may have cost himself more money than he saved
or got through the mail (anyone care to admit that they sent this guy
money?) in disk charges for the flames he so richly deserves for what
he did.

There have been a _lot_ of things done on the net worse than begging
for money. There have even been postings to more newsgroups than any
one of jj's postings.

What jj did that was truly obnoxious was post the same message
_several times_, to multiple groups each time. So even though I only
have to "n" any single posting once, I have to do that for each
posting if it's in a newsgroup I read. So he's made my life more
miserable than he had to, and didn't even reach more people by doing
so.

So not only was he a flaming asshole, he was a _stupid_ flaming
asshole. And in public.

<--j--
<
<DISCLAIMER:                              <<<jadler@eleazar.dartmouth.edu>>>
<The views expressed above are not to be confused with those of the college,
<nor are they representative of the general mindframe of college students as
<a whole. They're mine, all mine, and you can't have any. So THERE! ;-)

Not that anyone in their right mind would _want_ your opinions.

	<mike
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