Xref: utzoo misc.legal:4955 comp.misc:2492 comp.sys.att:3363 comp.sys.ibm.pc:16014 Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!think!ames!killer!dcs!wnp From: wnp@dcs.UUCP (Wolf N. Paul) Newsgroups: misc.legal,comp.misc,comp.sys.att,comp.sys.ibm.pc Subject: Re: AT&T vs. CSS (PC/Tools) Keywords: AT&T, lawsuit, CSS, PC/Tools Message-ID: <102@dcs.UUCP> Date: 30 May 88 10:52:17 GMT References: <403@mancol.UUCP> Reply-To: wnp@dcs.UUCP (Wolf N. Paul) Organization: DCS, Dallas, Texas Lines: 41 In article <403@mancol.UUCP> samperi@mancol.UUCP (Dominick Samperi) writes: >The May issue of UNIX Review reports that AT&T won an out-of-court >settlement in its suit aginst Custom Software Systems, Inc. The >suit claimed that PC/Tools and PC/Spell, both marketed by CSS, >"used aspects of UNIX," but CSS did not purchase a license from >AT&T. Does this mean that it is illegal to market versions of >the standard tools (cp, mv, tar, etc.) for DOS or for other >operating systems, or enhanced versions of these tools for UNIX, >without first buying a license from AT&T? I think we can safely assume that "aspects of UNIX" here refers to rather substantial amounts of UNIX source code, or at least code resembling the real thing sufficiently closely to reasonably assume that it was derived from it. The reason I say this is that there have been other, commercially more significant, UNIX-lookalikes which AT&T did not bother. Also, when PC/VI first made its appearance, a friend of mine in the Boston area told me he had heard from a friend who had access to both UNIX and PC/VI source code that the sources resembled each other so closely, down to flaws in the coding style, that he was conviced PC/VI was a rip-off. >Does AT&T have exclusive rights to use these utility names? Would it >still be illegal to market tools with similar capabilities that are >named differently? If AT&T had exclusive rights to these utility names, MS would be in trouble over DOS -- cd, mkdir, rmdir etc. Again, there are many other packages out there using these names for functionally similar programs without being bothered by AT&T that I don't think the name or functional definition is the issue. >What exactly does "used aspects of UNIX" mean anyway???? As I said, I'm sure they obtained access to UNIX source and did straight ports, or disguised ports (i.e. change variable names, etc.), or somthing else of similar nature. -- Wolf N. Paul * 3387 Sam Rayburn Run * Carrollton TX 75007 * (214) 306-9101 UUCP: ihnp4!killer!dcs!wnp ESL: 62832882 INTERNET: wnp@DESEES.DAS.NET or wnp@dcs.UUCP TLX: 910-280-0585 EES PLANO UD