Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!mailrus!ames!amdahl!nsc!voder!apple!pz From: pz@Apple.COM (Peter Zukoski) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk Subject: Re: AppleTalk in large diverse networks Message-ID: <10984@apple.Apple.Com> Date: 24 May 88 22:27:08 GMT References: <88.05.14.1202.740@pescadero.stanford.edu> <685@cernvax.UUCP> Reply-To: pz@apple.UUCP (Peter Zukoski) Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA Lines: 33 In article <685@cernvax.UUCP> jmg@cernvax.UUCP () writes: >If I am not mistaken, there are plenty of people inside Apple who >read this newsgroup. How come none of them have commented, if only to >say that they are aware of the problems? A guy came here from Cupertino >to talk about communications futures from Apple, and he claimed not to >know about any dissatisfaction with EtherTalk!!! Well, yes, some of us at Apple do read this newsgroup. Some of us at Apple have even done something to have caused this newsgroup to exist. Some of us at Apple are no longer in any position to do anything about it. Many of the issues brought up are very frustrating for me personally also. I've been among the first to have to deal with very large networks. AppleTalk/VMS and MacWorkStation were two projects I was associated with which tried to address these issues. We may have created more problems than we originally had, but I feel that they're by and large a help rather than a hindrance. There's lots of issues inherent here that are just a real bitch to deal with. So, yes, we (some of us) know. We've got the same problems to handle here (ever tried planning a world-wide Appletalk network?), and we learn just the way everyone else does: try it and find out where it doesn't work. Then kludge a solution. The difference is, we then need to fix it right for everyone else. Not working in that group is (was - I'm not doing that stuff now) frustrating to me, because I can't make it happen faster. It's probably worse, because I don't see the situation as being hopeless, whereas you _out there_ having no information can just say "Well, that's the situation, now what can I do to make it work", and you just make it work. I get caught up in hoping that what's being done will solve my problems for me. Enough metaphysics. Just look at it this way: We've got the same problems you do. Well, I've said more than I should These are opinions, and have absolutely nothing to do with the organization I work for. Any similarity is purely coincidence.