Xref: utzoo misc.invest:1839 comp.misc:2486 comp.lang.lisp:911 comp.ai:1836 comp.sys.xerox:219 Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!husc6!mailrus!ames!lll-tis!helios.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!ucbvax!hplabs!cae780!leadsv!esl!ssh From: ssh@esl.UUCP (Sam) Newsgroups: misc.invest,comp.misc,comp.lang.lisp,comp.ai,comp.sys.xerox Subject: Re: Symbolics stock Keywords: Symbolics stock Message-ID: <692@esl.UUCP> Date: 28 May 88 11:20:19 GMT References: <57@daitc.ARPA> <33064@linus.UUCP> Reply-To: ssh@esl.UUCP (Sam) Distribution: na Organization: ESL Inc. Lines: 21 ->marsh@mbunix (Ralph Marshall) sez -> ->Summarized advice: ->1) Face squarely in directions of Symbolics shares. ->2) Turn 180 degrees. ->3) Run like hell; don't look back or you turn into a pillar of cons cells. -> ->Symbolics sells GREAT software; they just can't push boxes worth a damn. ->Their equipment is way too expensive for deliverable systems in almost any ->realistic situation, their maintenance costs even for research use is ->exhorbitant, and they don't seem to get the message from what customer ->base they have left. ...(More stuff deleted)... For this reason I've recommended any project I've been related with NOT be Symbolics-based for the last four years. Obviously, I'm not alone. I also regret that many mistakes killed the D-machines from Xerox, which were great to work in/on, but were doomed by brain-damaged sales / marketing strategists at Xerox. -- Sam